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My nineteen–year–old daughter's identity in cloth

mesmeri...@hotmail.com
My daughter is nineteen, very overweight, and struggling with her
inability to stop eating or diet, whatever to lose her excesive weight,
and fitting in with her peers who are the ideal media weight, and fit
into the most recent styles. She wants to be like everyone else and my
heart goes out to her. I watch as she buys cloths that fit a skinnier
girl, and although she'll get the cloths big enough for her, they don't
look right on her because they were meant for small, slimmer girls, and
all those styles do on heavy girls is define their weight. My daughter
wants to look like everyone of her girls friends and thinks she must be
able to identify with them by buying the cloths that they buy. Her
weight problem probably goes deeper than merely styles of clothing, but
this is an issue I've been made aware of recently.
I'm afraid to say anything to her at this point. Yet, I'm her father,
and if I can't talk to her about, I know damn well the world won't.
I'm afraid some assinine person out there in the world is going to
humiliate her in public about her tight clothes or clothes that do more
to enhance her weight problem than make her more able to fit in. I
want to help her.
Right now I'm spending much time trying to figure out a tackful way to
tell or show her that because of her weight she'd be better off wearing
clothing that hung well on her rather than a style that was made to
look tight to enhance bones, hips, and define what soceity has been led
to believe is beauty. I'm not downing any of our ideas of what's
beautiful or looking to justify being over–weight. I am trying to
protect my dauther from an insensitive world of ignorant, selfish,
individuals who make themselves look good by putting the next person
down and are very insentive, lacking sympathy, and realizing the
ramification that humiliating a young person can do to them. I love my
daughter and just want her to be happy. Positive reenforcement would
go much father in helping this world than any humiliation.
Anyway, the purpose of this post is to get some advice on styles of
spring/summer clothing for a young girl. I hoping to buy something,
and outfit for her that she'll where, but it isn't necessarily the
common style, but maybe something that'll look good to her friend, is a
piece or set of clothing that is made for heavy girls––i.e. hanging,
free–flowing, etc.
Any advice on a mother and father helping an over–weight dauther with
peer pressure, identification crisis, and the particular issue of
fitting in by looking like your peers, but most of your peers are
slender, and you're not, please advice.
In advance, thank from a loving father.
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<mesmeri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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My daughter is nineteen, very overweight, and struggling with her
inability to stop eating or diet, whatever to lose her excesive
weight,
and fitting in with her peers who are the ideal media weight, and fit
into the most recent styles. She wants to be like everyone else and
my
heart goes out to her. I watch as she buys cloths that fit a skinnier
girl, and although she'll get the cloths big enough for her, they
don't
look right on her because they were meant for small, slimmer girls,
and
all those styles do on heavy girls is define their weight. My
daughter
wants to look like everyone of her girls friends and thinks she must
be
able to identify with them by buying the cloths that they buy. Her
weight problem probably goes deeper than merely styles of clothing,
but
this is an issue I've been made aware of recently.
I'm afraid to say anything to her at this point. Yet, I'm her father,
and if I can't talk to her about, I know damn well the world won't.
I'm afraid some assinine person out there in the world is going to
humiliate her in public about her tight clothes or clothes that do
more
to enhance her weight problem than make her more able to fit in. I
want to help her.
Right now I'm spending much time trying to figure out a tackful way to
tell or show her that because of her weight she'd be better off
wearing
clothing that hung well on her rather than a style that was made to
look tight to enhance bones, hips, and define what soceity has been
led
to believe is beauty. I'm not downing any of our ideas of what's
beautiful or looking to justify being over–weight. I am trying to
protect my dauther from an insensitive world of ignorant, selfish,
individuals who make themselves look good by putting the next person
down and are very insentive, lacking sympathy, and realizing the
ramification that humiliating a young person can do to them. I love
my
daughter and just want her to be happy. Positive reenforcement would
go much father in helping this world than any humiliation.
Anyway, the purpose of this post is to get some advice on styles of
spring/summer clothing for a young girl. I hoping to buy something,
and outfit for her that she'll where, but it isn't necessarily the
common style, but maybe something that'll look good to her friend, is
a
piece or set of clothing that is made for heavy girls––i.e. hanging,
free–flowing, etc.
Any advice on a mother and father helping an over–weight dauther with
peer pressure, identification crisis, and the particular issue of
fitting in by looking like your peers, but most of your peers are
slender, and you're not, please advice.
In advance, thank from a loving father.
It is best to start with stores that carry her size. You did not
mention the size but perhaps she needs to begin at Lane Bryant. She
needs jeans that fit well and then can look at tops.
wac...@AOL.com
I feel your pain. I was an overweight teenager myself, so, I can see
things more from her perspective. I'm also a parent of two teenagers,
so from your perspective I feel your heartache. Having said that, I'm
not sure what you can say to her to either help her regarding her
relationship with food or help her to wear clothes that you feel would
be more appropriate for her. I think all we can do as parents if let
our children know we love them unconditionally, which you obviously do.
True enough, she is struggling with, not only peer pressure, but our
culture's obsession with body image. She will want to continue
dressing like her peers so that she doesn't stand out too much. All
our kids want to do sometimes is blend in with everyone else so they
are not singled out and then made a target for verbal abuse. There are
stores that carry the styles that she likes to wear, but maybe in sizes
that will fit her better. Lane Bryant is one shop and Rainbow Shops,
carries both junior and plus sizes as well. If you're not sure about
locations, you can google them. Good luck to you!
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
"Ami" <amia...@nac.net>


<mesmeri...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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My daughter is nineteen, very overweight, and struggling with her
inability to stop eating or diet, whatever to lose her excesive weight,
and fitting in with her peers who are the ideal media weight, and fit
into the most recent styles. She wants to be like everyone else and my
heart goes out to her. I watch as she buys cloths that fit a skinnier
girl, and although she'll get the cloths big enough for her, they don't
look right on her because they were meant for small, slimmer girls, and
all those styles do on heavy girls is define their weight. My daughter
wants to look like everyone of her girls friends and thinks she must be
able to identify with them by buying the cloths that they buy. Her
weight problem probably goes deeper than merely styles of clothing, but
this is an issue I've been made aware of recently.
I'm afraid to say anything to her at this point. Yet, I'm her father,
and if I can't talk to her about, I know damn well the world won't.
I'm afraid some assinine person out there in the world is going to
humiliate her in public about her tight clothes or clothes that do more
to enhance her weight problem than make her more able to fit in. I
want to help her.
Right now I'm spending much time trying to figure out a tackful way to
tell or show her that because of her weight she'd be better off wearing
clothing that hung well on her rather than a style that was made to
look tight to enhance bones, hips, and define what soceity has been led
to believe is beauty. I'm not downing any of our ideas of what's
beautiful or looking to justify being over–weight. I am trying to
protect my dauther from an insensitive world of ignorant, selfish,
individuals who make themselves look good by putting the next person
down and are very insentive, lacking sympathy, and realizing the
ramification that humiliating a young person can do to them. I love my
daughter and just want her to be happy. Positive reenforcement would
go much father in helping this world than any humiliation.
I don't understand where the positive reinforcement is here.
Unless your daughter asks for your advice, please don't say anything. If
she's insecure about her weight, the last thing she needs is her parents
trying to "improve" her looks. That unfortunately translates as disapproval
in any self consicous child's (or adult's) eyes (and hearts). I know you
want to help, but imo, it will help her more for her to come back from that
"hard world" to someone who loves her whether she's fat or not, and to
parents who she can be herself with. Not someone who is going to make her
feel worse. No matter what you say to her, it's not going to go over well.
Anyway, the purpose of this post is to get some advice on styles of
spring/summer clothing for a young girl. I hoping to buy something,
and outfit for her that she'll where, but it isn't necessarily the
common style, but maybe something that'll look good to her friend, is a
piece or set of clothing that is made for heavy girls––i.e. hanging,
free–flowing, etc.
Young girl??!
Do not buy her clothes. The chances of them fitting are slim, and whether
they are too big or too small–– she will feel bad.
I think this is one problem she will have to figure out on her own, or with
real friends. I don't think this is a good thing for a parent to get into.
She's nineteen, not a child (though we all know you dont have to be a child
to be affected by knowing your parents think you're too fat, too frumpy, get
that hair out of your face, or any other endless nit pickings parents say to
"help") It doesn't help.
Ugh, I shouldn't have even read this post–– and I hope you're not a troll.
Any advice on a mother and father helping an over–weight dauther with
peer pressure, identification crisis, and the particular issue of
fitting in by looking like your peers, but most of your peers are
slender, and you're not, please advice.
In advance, thank from a loving father.
Sounds like those issues should have been addressed years ago. I think this
is something that she's going to have to figure out for herself. When she
has to get a job, and enters the real world she will most likely get a clue.
Believe me when I tell you it's much less humiliating in the long run to
hear it from, strangers, employers etc. than from your own parents. It
hurts me to hear what a mess you think your daughter is, maybe concentrate
on what she does well, that's the positive reinforcement.
Ami (sorry for the venom)
"DWACON" <nos...@nospam.nospam>
"Ami" <amia...@nac.net> wrote in message news:441c4af...@nntp2.nac.net...
I don't understand where the positive reinforcement is here.
Unless your daughter asks for your advice, please don't say anything. If
she's insecure about her weight, the last thing she needs is her parents
trying to "improve" her looks. That unfortunately translates as
disapproval in any self consicous child's (or adult's) eyes (and hearts).
I know you want to help, but imo, it will help her more for her to come
back from that "hard world" to someone who loves her whether she's fat or
not, and to parents who she can be herself with. Not someone who is going
to make her feel worse. No matter what you say to her, it's not going to
go over well.
Here's an idea (take or leave).
Get involved in some sport or activity –– and invite your daughter along.
It could be swimming, racquetball, jogging, biking –– but you are not
condemning her... in fact maybe the parents could use a bit of exercise
themselves? Never hurts... and if nothing else it promotes a bit more
family togetherness before she exits the nest.
Just throwing that out there.
––
dwacon(com)
wac...@AOL.com
Ami, my first thought was the post was written by a troll as are most
that are like this one. I don't know why I bothered to answer him
except thinking that there was a slim chance that it was sincere
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
It's really a shame that people have to be so cynical, but I guess it
can't be helped on the public boards. I answered him because as a
parent, I know how painful it can be to watch your child experience
something, and feel helpless. If this is an honest attempt to reach
out, then I hope that person knows that there is support out there. If
it's a troll, then I hope that they find something more meaningful in
life than to tie up a message board with nonsense.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
"EMiriamD" <emiri...@gmail.com>
Shamelessly following up my own post:
A little fact checking reveals that this troll posts under other screen
names on other usenet sites and in every other post he seems perfectly
capable of writing in correct English, using correct spelling. Quel
surprise!
Troll. Troll. Troll.
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"Ami" <amia...@nac.net> wrote in message
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I don't understand where the positive reinforcement is here.
Unless your daughter asks for your advice, please don't say anything.
If she's insecure about her weight, the last thing she needs is her
parents trying to "improve" her looks. That unfortunately translates
as disapproval in any self consicous child's (or adult's) eyes (and
hearts). I know you want to help, but imo, it will help her more for
her to come back from that "hard world" to someone who loves her
whether she's fat or not, and to parents who she can be herself with.
Not someone who is going to make her feel worse. No matter what you
say to her, it's not going to go over well.
Young girl??!
Do not buy her clothes. The chances of them fitting are slim, and
whether they are too big or too small–– she will feel bad.
I think this is one problem she will have to figure out on her own, or
with real friends. I don't think this is a good thing for a parent to
get into. She's nineteen, not a child (though we all know you dont
have to be a child to be affected by knowing your parents think you're
too fat, too frumpy, get that hair out of your face, or any other
endless nit pickings parents say to "help") It doesn't help.
Ugh, I shouldn't have even read this post–– and I hope you're not a
troll.
Sounds like those issues should have been addressed years ago. I
think this is something that she's going to have to figure out for
herself. When she has to get a job, and enters the real world she
will most likely get a clue. Believe me when I tell you it's much less
humiliating in the long run to hear it from, strangers, employers etc.
than from your own parents. It hurts me to hear what a mess you
think your daughter is, maybe concentrate on what she does well,
that's the positive reinforcement.
Ami (sorry for the venom)
Ami, my first thought was the post was written by a troll as are most
that are like this one. I don't know why I bothered to answer him
except thinking that there was a slim chance that it was sincere.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"DWACON" <nos...@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"Ami" <amia...@nac.net> wrote in message
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Here's an idea (take or leave).
Get involved in some sport or activity –– and invite your daughter
along. It could be swimming, racquetball, jogging, biking –– but you
are not condemning her... in fact maybe the parents could use a bit of
exercise themselves? Never hurts... and if nothing else it promotes a
bit more family togetherness before she exits the nest.
Just throwing that out there.
http://tinyurl.com/e5pok This school is fairly close to where I live
and the success has been good. They try to include regular types of
physical activity with a weight loss and academic program. I say
regular because it isn't the extreme of what goes on for a program like
The Biggest Loser. The activities you recommend are the activities that
can be continued throughout adulthood.
––
dwacon(com)
"Miss J" <kitten...@gmail.com>
My friend's daughter was the same way until she reached high school.
On her own she decided that if she was going to fit in, she would have
to do something. She joined Curves and lost 25 pounds. She looks
great. Losing weight is hard but the hardest part is admitting to
yourself you have a problem.
As far as fashions go, I see that Penneys have a line of clothing for
teens in plus sizes.
Miss J
Charlie Perrin <nikve...@sbcglobal.netNOSPAM>
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:10:09 –0800, "ahmward" wrote:
Ami, my first thought was the post was written by a troll as are most
that are like this one. I don't know why I bothered to answer him
I locked onto the plus–sized target on my trolldar.
Note the OP's consistent misspelling of "clothes."
Not as dramatic as "pnaties" but misspelled words almost invariably
involve subjects of anxiety or concern.
Just ask any teen boy who is thinking about going in the "Amry" or the
"Nvay." <grin/duck> (Actually they should go in the "Air Froce"
because that's the service where the enlisted men fix the planes that
send the officers into battle.)
You should have seen me back when I used to post on the "slepe"
disorder boards. I had to spell–check that word twice or it would come
out wrong!
except thinking that there was a slim chance that it was sincere.
If the OP is indeed legit, Torrid does trendy stuff for what road
racers call the "filly class." Although I'd suspect they're healthy
enough, just big.
The male equivalent – "Clydesdales" – starts at 190 pounds in some
races. I think of 200 as being a standard–sized man. (I'd like to be
standard–sized again.)
––
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"EMiriamD" <emiri...@gmail.com>
I locked onto the plus–sized target on my trolldar.
And I locked onto how the OP went into such excruciating detail about
this "young girl," especially considering that this is her father.
Since he mentions that there is, indeed, a mother in this family, my
first question was, "Why isn't *she* posting here? Why is he so
focused on his (supposed) daughter's body?"
Agree with Charles. The OP is a troll. Please do not feed the troll.
FeAudrey <feaud...@yah00.forspamhaters.c0m>
In article <1142707123.581659.146...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
wac...@AOL.com says...
It's really a shame that people have to be so cynical, but I guess it
can't be helped on the public boards.
This board has learned from experience to be very cautious about male
posters offering highly detailed descriptions of their supposed
"daughters".
And that's nothing to how we treat the underwear pervs and the shoe
fetishists!
––
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too)!
http://pages.prodigy.net/feaudrey
Charlie Perrin <nikve...@sbcglobal.netNOSPAM>
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 05:14:02 GMT, FeAudrey wrote:
This board has learned from experience to be very cautious
about male posters offering highly detailed descriptions of
their supposed "daughters".
IMHO, it's even worse when they offer highly detailed descriptions of
their "daugther." <grin/duck>
––
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cbake...@gmail.com
The poster may very well be a troll, but it think this topic could def
help alot of fathers going through this same thing, im sure it is a
frequent issue that fathers have no means for help and prob dont feel
comfortable asking for help. So if this is legit or someones reading
this that has this problem, all offer my 2 cents as a person who grew
up big. Def. dont confront your daughter on this issue, i hate this
advice but it is true, daughters want to feel like their daddys girl,
they want support and loving, no matter how you phrase it, she is aware
of her weight and it will hurt her terribly no matter how you go about
it.
Fitting in and defining ones self unfortuatly are something youth have
to do on their own, every son/daughter goes through it whether their
popular/unpopular/skinny/fat etc, its part of the growing up process.
What really needs to be addressed is the fact that she is overweight. I
would suggest the whole family get involved in a local gym/Y when your
sititng around with the family, throw out that god IM (as in you the
father), are out of shape and really need to go to the gym, this takes
focus away from her, and helps her to see that even her parents are
struggling with this issue, try to get involved in interesting things
happening at the gym, yoga etc, things that are in and a young girl
might have a interest in. Furthermore, it gives her the oppertunity to
invite her friends for a day out at the gym, thus solidifying with them
that she already knows of her weight and is working on it, this will
make her feel good about herself.
Trying to cover her up with clothes is not correcting the issue and
your really not helping her out at all, if she is comfortable in them
and feels like shes connecting with her peers by wearing those clothes,
let her, address the issue at hand.