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"Wendy" <wendyandbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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From my experience there are three sizes of Sephora stores, small,
medium and large. The small stores are just slightly larger than a Body
Shop. The large ones are in the big cities such as Los Angeles, San
Francisco, New York, large European cities etc. The small stores truly
are a waste of time unless, of course, you have an SA who is very
experienced. As at all cosmetic counters the level of experience and
training makes a huge difference. At my local store, which opened
before Christmas, I have educated the SAs who helped me because I've
been doing this whole makeup/skincare bit for a number of years.
Yesterday I gave the gal at Ann Taylor info about the NM beauty event.
Anyway, don't give up. If you want more info e mail me at
ahmw...@gmail.com
Audrey
"Wendy" <wendyandbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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responding to when you post –– so the entire available message says, in this
case, "LOL, Jo!!. So true!" If you would quote the post you are responding
to when you post, it would make your posts much more interesting to other
participants.
Smokey
My first trip inside Sephora
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
2/26/2006 2:28:15 PM
Well I have to say I am not terribly impressed. The Sephora I was in was
small, and didn't have some of my favorite brands (Tarte, Dior). I did
ask someone if they could do a makeover and she temporarily disappeared,
(to ask permission?) told me she could and returned with three Urban
Decay eyeshadows (she did only my eyes) in Honey, Adore, and Fishnet.
Translation: bright yellow gold, hot pink, and bright purple. I thought
ok, I'm going to look like Cirque de Soleil. Actually the end result was
quite pretty, the colors were well blended and subtle and really made my
green eyes pop. Not something I would ever consider wearing, though.
Maybe I was being unrealistic in going in there and getting a makeup
lesson. There was a little makeover island in the back and there was
someone back there getting their makeup done. I don't know if they had
an appt. or what. Everyone there was fairly pleasant and not pushy about
buying anything. Except for one SA who came across as being very
obnoxious. She had a girl in the makeover chair and was being very loud
and screeching "your coloring is jeeeusssst PERfect, no REALLY it really
really IS. Talk about corny. The girl was like "um, ok thanks" and the
SA said "NO really your hair and your eyes and your skin are just
PERFECT!!" I asked this SA if the Cargo gloss SoHo was in and she said
"um I don't know, it might be in the back" but didn't look. I asked
another SA if it was in and she did bother to look and was very nice.
Anyways, I ended up buying Cargo The Reverse Lip Liner, Benetint Pocket
pal, and a pair of false lashes by Sugar.
I guess I am disappointed because I was hoping to go in there and LEARN
something from these people who claim to be 'beauty experts'.
There wasn't a MAC store there (I am almost positive) or I would have
ran straight there.
Wendy
small, and didn't have some of my favorite brands (Tarte, Dior). I did
ask someone if they could do a makeover and she temporarily disappeared,
(to ask permission?) told me she could and returned with three Urban
Decay eyeshadows (she did only my eyes) in Honey, Adore, and Fishnet.
Translation: bright yellow gold, hot pink, and bright purple. I thought
ok, I'm going to look like Cirque de Soleil. Actually the end result was
quite pretty, the colors were well blended and subtle and really made my
green eyes pop. Not something I would ever consider wearing, though.
Maybe I was being unrealistic in going in there and getting a makeup
lesson. There was a little makeover island in the back and there was
someone back there getting their makeup done. I don't know if they had
an appt. or what. Everyone there was fairly pleasant and not pushy about
buying anything. Except for one SA who came across as being very
obnoxious. She had a girl in the makeover chair and was being very loud
and screeching "your coloring is jeeeusssst PERfect, no REALLY it really
really IS. Talk about corny. The girl was like "um, ok thanks" and the
SA said "NO really your hair and your eyes and your skin are just
PERFECT!!" I asked this SA if the Cargo gloss SoHo was in and she said
"um I don't know, it might be in the back" but didn't look. I asked
another SA if it was in and she did bother to look and was very nice.
Anyways, I ended up buying Cargo The Reverse Lip Liner, Benetint Pocket
pal, and a pair of false lashes by Sugar.
I guess I am disappointed because I was hoping to go in there and LEARN
something from these people who claim to be 'beauty experts'.
There wasn't a MAC store there (I am almost positive) or I would have
ran straight there.
Wendy
wac...@AOL.com
2/26/2006 1:27:02 PM
I guess I am disappointed because I was hoping to go in there and LEARN
something from these people who claim to be 'beauty experts'.
There wasn't a MAC store there (I am almost positive) or I would have
ran straight there.
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Too bad it didn't meet your expectations, but you did get to see
yourself in colors you wouldn't have normally chosen for yourself, so,
on some level, it was an education.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
something from these people who claim to be 'beauty experts'.
There wasn't a MAC store there (I am almost positive) or I would have
ran straight there.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Too bad it didn't meet your expectations, but you did get to see
yourself in colors you wouldn't have normally chosen for yourself, so,
on some level, it was an education.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
2/27/2006 1:22:49 PM
I agree, Susan. I 'did' learn something and got to see some colors I
would normally not try. I just didn't get to learn what I had hoped to
learn.
Wendy
would normally not try. I just didn't get to learn what I had hoped to
learn.
Wendy
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
2/26/2006 1:57:40 PM
"Wendy" <wendyandbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18243–44020F5F–...@storefull–3211.bay.webtv.net...
Well I have to say I am not terribly impressed. The Sephora I was in
was
small, and didn't have some of my favorite brands (Tarte, Dior). I did
ask someone if they could do a makeover and she temporarily
disappeared,
(to ask permission?) told me she could and returned with three Urban
Decay eyeshadows (she did only my eyes) in Honey, Adore, and Fishnet.
Translation: bright yellow gold, hot pink, and bright purple. I
thought
ok, I'm going to look like Cirque de Soleil. Actually the end result
was
quite pretty, the colors were well blended and subtle and really made
my
green eyes pop. Not something I would ever consider wearing, though.
Maybe I was being unrealistic in going in there and getting a makeup
lesson. There was a little makeover island in the back and there was
someone back there getting their makeup done. I don't know if they had
an appt. or what. Everyone there was fairly pleasant and not pushy
about
buying anything. Except for one SA who came across as being very
obnoxious. She had a girl in the makeover chair and was being very
loud
and screeching "your coloring is jeeeusssst PERfect, no REALLY it
really
really IS. Talk about corny. The girl was like "um, ok thanks" and the
SA said "NO really your hair and your eyes and your skin are just
PERFECT!!" I asked this SA if the Cargo gloss SoHo was in and she said
"um I don't know, it might be in the back" but didn't look. I asked
another SA if it was in and she did bother to look and was very nice.
Anyways, I ended up buying Cargo The Reverse Lip Liner, Benetint
Pocket
pal, and a pair of false lashes by Sugar.
I guess I am disappointed because I was hoping to go in there and
LEARN
something from these people who claim to be 'beauty experts'.
There wasn't a MAC store there (I am almost positive) or I would have
ran straight there.
Wendy
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––was
small, and didn't have some of my favorite brands (Tarte, Dior). I did
ask someone if they could do a makeover and she temporarily
disappeared,
(to ask permission?) told me she could and returned with three Urban
Decay eyeshadows (she did only my eyes) in Honey, Adore, and Fishnet.
Translation: bright yellow gold, hot pink, and bright purple. I
thought
ok, I'm going to look like Cirque de Soleil. Actually the end result
was
quite pretty, the colors were well blended and subtle and really made
my
green eyes pop. Not something I would ever consider wearing, though.
Maybe I was being unrealistic in going in there and getting a makeup
lesson. There was a little makeover island in the back and there was
someone back there getting their makeup done. I don't know if they had
an appt. or what. Everyone there was fairly pleasant and not pushy
about
buying anything. Except for one SA who came across as being very
obnoxious. She had a girl in the makeover chair and was being very
loud
and screeching "your coloring is jeeeusssst PERfect, no REALLY it
really
really IS. Talk about corny. The girl was like "um, ok thanks" and the
SA said "NO really your hair and your eyes and your skin are just
PERFECT!!" I asked this SA if the Cargo gloss SoHo was in and she said
"um I don't know, it might be in the back" but didn't look. I asked
another SA if it was in and she did bother to look and was very nice.
Anyways, I ended up buying Cargo The Reverse Lip Liner, Benetint
pal, and a pair of false lashes by Sugar.
I guess I am disappointed because I was hoping to go in there and
LEARN
something from these people who claim to be 'beauty experts'.
There wasn't a MAC store there (I am almost positive) or I would have
ran straight there.
Wendy
From my experience there are three sizes of Sephora stores, small,
medium and large. The small stores are just slightly larger than a Body
Shop. The large ones are in the big cities such as Los Angeles, San
Francisco, New York, large European cities etc. The small stores truly
are a waste of time unless, of course, you have an SA who is very
experienced. As at all cosmetic counters the level of experience and
training makes a huge difference. At my local store, which opened
before Christmas, I have educated the SAs who helped me because I've
been doing this whole makeup/skincare bit for a number of years.
Yesterday I gave the gal at Ann Taylor info about the NM beauty event.
Anyway, don't give up. If you want more info e mail me at
ahmw...@gmail.com
Audrey
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
2/27/2006 1:26:13 PM
Audrey, yes the store was small and pretty much a waste of time. LOL,
that is so awesome that you educate the SAs! Good for you! Maybe someday
I'll be lucky enough to run into a well–educated SA.
Wendy
that is so awesome that you educate the SAs! Good for you! Maybe someday
I'll be lucky enough to run into a well–educated SA.
Wendy
"EMiriamD" <emiri...@gmail.com>
2/26/2006 3:01:19 PM
Wendy, I'm so sorry to hear you had such a disappointing Sephora
experience. As Audrey pointed out, there are several sizes of Sephora
stores and it's really a crapshoot as to whether you get a good MA
there.
When my daughter turned 13 she got a Bat Mitzvah gift of a MAC makeover
at what was then the first freestanding MAC store in NYC. We were set
up in a back room and the MA could really take time to apply the makeup
and explain everything, plus she gave my daughter a preprinted face
chart showing all the colors and products she had used. It was a
terrific experience. No guarantees that every MAC store makeover will
be as good, but that was definitely a winner.
As for learning makeup techniques, sometimes I feel like I get more out
of "Allure" magazine's tips than from most MA's.
experience. As Audrey pointed out, there are several sizes of Sephora
stores and it's really a crapshoot as to whether you get a good MA
there.
When my daughter turned 13 she got a Bat Mitzvah gift of a MAC makeover
at what was then the first freestanding MAC store in NYC. We were set
up in a back room and the MA could really take time to apply the makeup
and explain everything, plus she gave my daughter a preprinted face
chart showing all the colors and products she had used. It was a
terrific experience. No guarantees that every MAC store makeover will
be as good, but that was definitely a winner.
As for learning makeup techniques, sometimes I feel like I get more out
of "Allure" magazine's tips than from most MA's.
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
2/27/2006 1:33:16 PM
Thanks, EMD! The experience your daughter had was exactly what I was
looking for.
I also learn a lot from reading Allure. I think this month's issue w/
Lindsay Lohan on the cover is particularily good. I do know how to apply
makeup fairly well. I never walk around with strange makeup, i.e. no
eyebrows with a very odd half moon drawn in or 'very' heavy black
eyeliner on just my lower lash line, just to name a few. It's just that
I feel that I am in a makeup rut and I know I could always, always learn
more. I see women in magazines with beautiful amazing makeup and I
always wonder how exactly do they do that?
Wendy
looking for.
I also learn a lot from reading Allure. I think this month's issue w/
Lindsay Lohan on the cover is particularily good. I do know how to apply
makeup fairly well. I never walk around with strange makeup, i.e. no
eyebrows with a very odd half moon drawn in or 'very' heavy black
eyeliner on just my lower lash line, just to name a few. It's just that
I feel that I am in a makeup rut and I know I could always, always learn
more. I see women in magazines with beautiful amazing makeup and I
always wonder how exactly do they do that?
Wendy
jo_bleaux <jo_bleaux>
2/28/2006 1:12:55 AM
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:33:16 –0600, wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
wrote:
– Jo
wrote:
I see women in magazines with beautiful amazing makeup and I
always wonder how exactly do they do that?
Computer software touchups :) always wonder how exactly do they do that?
– Jo
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
3/2/2006 12:38:45 PM
LOL, Jo!! So true!
Wendy
Wendy
"Smokey" <SmokeyinNewEngl...@yahooey.com>
3/2/2006 1:57:23 PM
"Wendy" <wendyandbr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:18480–44073BB5–...@storefull–3218.bay.webtv.net...
LOL, Jo!! So true!
Wendy
Wendy, I'm sure you don't realize that many of us have no idea what you are Wendy
responding to when you post –– so the entire available message says, in this
case, "LOL, Jo!!. So true!" If you would quote the post you are responding
to when you post, it would make your posts much more interesting to other
participants.
Smokey
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
3/2/2006 4:15:23 PM
Sorry about that Smokey, will do. I do realize that not everyone is
reading these posts in the same format. In the future I will be more
careful in replying. Unfortunately I am unable to quote due to wretched
msntv's limitations.
In the post where I said "lol, Jo, so true" I was answering her response
of "computer software touch–ups", which was an answer to my question of
"how do women look so beautiful in magazines?"
Now I've made a fine mess of it. : )
Wendy
reading these posts in the same format. In the future I will be more
careful in replying. Unfortunately I am unable to quote due to wretched
msntv's limitations.
In the post where I said "lol, Jo, so true" I was answering her response
of "computer software touch–ups", which was an answer to my question of
"how do women look so beautiful in magazines?"
Now I've made a fine mess of it. : )
Wendy
"Yuppie.Nat...@gmail.com" <Yuppie.Nation@gmail.com>
3/2/2006 11:17:34 AM
I have seen similar variation in service at Sephora. I raved about it
to my mom and a medium size store opened in her mall before Christmas
04. The staff were rude and could not answer any questions, and had the
nerve to correct my pronounciation of a brand name!
I considered emailing the company to say that first of all, the
customer is always right and secondly, I learned the prounciation from
my local Sephora. So I had to have my mom trek to my Sephora an hour
from her home to get any kind of help.
to my mom and a medium size store opened in her mall before Christmas
04. The staff were rude and could not answer any questions, and had the
nerve to correct my pronounciation of a brand name!
I considered emailing the company to say that first of all, the
customer is always right and secondly, I learned the prounciation from
my local Sephora. So I had to have my mom trek to my Sephora an hour
from her home to get any kind of help.
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
2/27/2006 1:35:16 PM
I guess I'm starting to agree that makeup is better applied yourself. I
haven't had great luck w/ makeup artists. I hired makeup and hair to
come in before my wedding when I got married in Vegas and I also wasn't
impressed.
Wendy
haven't had great luck w/ makeup artists. I hired makeup and hair to
come in before my wedding when I got married in Vegas and I also wasn't
impressed.
Wendy
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
3/2/2006 12:39:59 PM
Theresa, I have considered it. I would never go into that particular
Sephora again.
Wendy
Sephora again.
Wendy
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
3/2/2006 12:42:33 PM
scorpiogirl, that really could be true inside a Sephora that small.
Would that also be true at say, a Estee Lauder counter, or Clinique, or
Lancome? Are they 'usually' SAs or MAs? Or do you just have to get
lucky?
Wendy
Would that also be true at say, a Estee Lauder counter, or Clinique, or
Lancome? Are they 'usually' SAs or MAs? Or do you just have to get
lucky?
Wendy
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@yahoo.com>
3/2/2006 11:01:16 PM
I'm not sure about the other makeup counters, but even the large
Sephoras in NYC don't necessarily have a MA working. I've had them
refer me to another location for that very reason.
Sephoras in NYC don't necessarily have a MA working. I've had them
refer me to another location for that very reason.
wendyandbr...@webtv.net (Wendy)
3/2/2006 4:21:10 PM
YN, while it is comforting to know that I am not the only one who was
sorely disappointed with Sephora's in–store experience, let me say I
cannot believe they would hire people too daft to answer questions and
then those people would make a point of correcting your pronunciation.
Unreal!
I have had such good luck with the people I have spoken to on the phone
at Sephora that I was expecting the same treatment at the store.
Wendy
sorely disappointed with Sephora's in–store experience, let me say I
cannot believe they would hire people too daft to answer questions and
then those people would make a point of correcting your pronunciation.
Unreal!
I have had such good luck with the people I have spoken to on the phone
at Sephora that I was expecting the same treatment at the store.
Wendy
wac...@AOL.com
2/26/2006 4:13:17 PM
As for learning makeup techniques, sometimes I feel like I get more out
of "Allure" magazine's tips than from most MA's.
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I agree. Sometimes, it's best to experiment on yourself, rather than
let a stranger do it. I've never liked my make–up application as much
as when I do it myself.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
of "Allure" magazine's tips than from most MA's.
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I agree. Sometimes, it's best to experiment on yourself, rather than
let a stranger do it. I've never liked my make–up application as much
as when I do it myself.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
wac...@AOL.com
2/27/2006 12:36:35 PM
I guess I'm starting to agree that makeup is better applied yourself. I
haven't had great luck w/ makeup artists. I hired makeup and hair to
come in before my wedding when I got married in Vegas and I also wasn't
impressed.
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Years ago I worked for a private–label cosmetic company and we always
had booths at the International Hair Show here in NY. One of the
make–up artists did my make–up for me during a demonstration and I was
appalled at how hideous it looked. I think that's when I decided to do
my own make–up and did my own hair and make–up for my own wedding
photos. What I've found over the years is that it's not the
application, but the make–up I was using and I have learned to choose
make–up that's right for my skin type and my age. I'm probably older
than you and, at some point, less is more.
http://www.emakemeup.com/en2/index.php?sid=820748bd5febc368806b3a937
Above is a link to a beauty site that is a favorite of young women who
are "experts" in cosmetics and make–up application. I've learned a lot
from them.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
haven't had great luck w/ makeup artists. I hired makeup and hair to
come in before my wedding when I got married in Vegas and I also wasn't
impressed.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Years ago I worked for a private–label cosmetic company and we always
had booths at the International Hair Show here in NY. One of the
make–up artists did my make–up for me during a demonstration and I was
appalled at how hideous it looked. I think that's when I decided to do
my own make–up and did my own hair and make–up for my own wedding
photos. What I've found over the years is that it's not the
application, but the make–up I was using and I have learned to choose
make–up that's right for my skin type and my age. I'm probably older
than you and, at some point, less is more.
http://www.emakemeup.com/en2/index.php?sid=820748bd5febc368806b3a937
Above is a link to a beauty site that is a favorite of young women who
are "experts" in cosmetics and make–up application. I've learned a lot
from them.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
CarolC...@aol.com
2/26/2006 8:18:54 PM
wac...@AOL.com wrote:
looking and trying. Although, one of the best makeup gals was in our
Neiman Marcus. She did an awesome makeup application on my friend. I
think it was the Bobbie Brown counter.
Carol
As for learning makeup techniques, sometimes I feel like I get more out
of "Allure" magazine's tips than from most MA's.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I agree. Sometimes, it's best to experiment on yourself, rather than
let a stranger do it. I've never liked my make–up application as much
as when I do it myself.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
I agree. I rather enjoy browsing around Sephora alone and just of "Allure" magazine's tips than from most MA's.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I agree. Sometimes, it's best to experiment on yourself, rather than
let a stranger do it. I've never liked my make–up application as much
as when I do it myself.
Susan
http://susansspa.blogspot.com/
looking and trying. Although, one of the best makeup gals was in our
Neiman Marcus. She did an awesome makeup application on my friend. I
think it was the Bobbie Brown counter.
Carol
"downsized_diva" <chickar...@comcastremovethisnow.net>
2/28/2006 9:23:58 PM
Wow, I am shocked. I have never had a negative experience inside one of
these stores, and that is mostly why I keep coming back.
When it comes to makeovers, I let them know I'm looking for a new "face",
and really impress that I want natural but not overdone (I'm 39). Never been
disappointed yet. And intro'd me to Vincent Longo colors I never would ahve
tried.
It sounds like you should sound off to Sephora about your experience because
there is NO excuse for such poor treatment.
Theresa
these stores, and that is mostly why I keep coming back.
When it comes to makeovers, I let them know I'm looking for a new "face",
and really impress that I want natural but not overdone (I'm 39). Never been
disappointed yet. And intro'd me to Vincent Longo colors I never would ahve
tried.
It sounds like you should sound off to Sephora about your experience because
there is NO excuse for such poor treatment.
Theresa
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@yahoo.com>
3/1/2006 5:24:58 AM
Wendy wrote:
Sephora, but many times there isn't even a MA in the store. I think
most people use the available samples to try out products on their own
(hopefully on their hand) and don't expect the SAs to do anything but
ring up their purchases.
Maybe I was being unrealistic in going in there and getting a makeup
lesson.
Honestly, I think your expectations really were unrealistic. I love lesson.
Sephora, but many times there isn't even a MA in the store. I think
most people use the available samples to try out products on their own
(hopefully on their hand) and don't expect the SAs to do anything but
ring up their purchases.