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Precisely Folded Stacks of Garments

"Connyc" <connycl...@hotmail.com>
I work in a specialty women's apparel store which, in some areas, has
neatly folded stacks of tops and jeans on shelves.
The jeans all have clearly visible edge labeling which states their
sizes, plus leg style ("boot–cut" or "straight–leg") – this is very
informative and presents no problem at all. It's easy for a customer to
see what's available at a glance, and easy for salespeople to stack
them back in size and style order.
The tops, however, are a different story. On them, there is no
folded–edge labelling indicating their sizes, so a customer has to
manually flip through the stacks of folded sweaters, t–shirts, or tank
tops (some very plushy, thick, fluid, soft, thin, or limp) so that they
fall out of alignment when anyone handles them to find the desired
size.
Our managers tell us salespeople to constantly keep the folded stacks
of tops precisely folded, with knife–sharp edges and precise alignment,
with the paper price tags – which also display the sizes – tucked
INSIDE the necks or sides of the garments. Therefore, for a customer to
find her size, she MUST disrupt this precision stacking and folding and
tucking, to some degree. We frequently hear customers expressing regret
for "messing up" the displays of garments simply to find their sizes. I
don't think this is right. In our busy store, this happens constantly,
and of course we understand why, but, oddly, the managers don't.
Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a salesperson?
"Tetonia" <teto...@mail.com>
Connyc wrote:
I work in a specialty women's apparel store which, in some areas, has
neatly folded stacks of tops and jeans on shelves.
The jeans all have clearly visible edge labeling which states their
sizes, plus leg style ("boot–cut" or "straight–leg") – this is very
informative and presents no problem at all. It's easy for a customer to
see what's available at a glance, and easy for salespeople to stack
them back in size and style order.
The tops, however, are a different story. On them, there is no
folded–edge labelling indicating their sizes, so a customer has to
manually flip through the stacks of folded sweaters, t–shirts, or tank
tops (some very plushy, thick, fluid, soft, thin, or limp) so that they
fall out of alignment when anyone handles them to find the desired
size.
Our managers tell us salespeople to constantly keep the folded stacks
of tops precisely folded, with knife–sharp edges and precise alignment,
with the paper price tags – which also display the sizes – tucked
INSIDE the necks or sides of the garments. Therefore, for a customer to
find her size, she MUST disrupt this precision stacking and folding and
tucking, to some degree. We frequently hear customers expressing regret
for "messing up" the displays of garments simply to find their sizes. I
don't think this is right. In our busy store, this happens constantly,
and of course we understand why, but, oddly, the managers don't.
Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a salesperson?
As a customer, I *hate* to leave a mess behind. I usually either make a
(sometimes unsuccessful) attempt to put the stacks back the way they
were, or I ask a salesperson to help me find the size I need. I know
most customers don't but I guess you can blame my mother for raising me
not to leave a mess for somebody else to clean up. <g>
What I really hate, though, is going through the stack only to find
there are no items in my size available. Not only do I have to put
everything back, but I don't even get the item!
As a customer, I feel your pain. I wish all clothing came with those
size stickers on the folded edge.
Tetonia
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a
salesperson? >>>
I sympathize with you wholeheartedly!!! When I worked at Banana
Republic, we were taught to always tuck the tags inside the shirts
while we folded the piles of tees, tops, or sweaters– of course, an
hour later, the piles would be destroyed since the customers would have
no choice but to pull each item out and check the size tag. Our store
managers told us that the tags could not be hanging out the back (even
though it would no doubt be easier for our customers) since it looked
"messy" and the visual people at corporate had mapped out how each top
would be folded (wide–fold or longer with a board) and if a district
manager were to see it, we would get points reduced from our store
visits. Even for items that were hanging, all the tags had to be
tucked inside the top, but I cannot tell you how many delicate nylon–y
blend tops we had to damage out because the tags' sharp edges would
cause snags in the fabric.
IMO, I think it would help sales if the tags were to be hanging out the
back. Using myself as an example, sometimes I'll be shopping and see a
stack of perfectly folded tops. I wear an XS, so my size is usually on
the top, but sometimes the piles are not sized and I don't want to go
searching through and have it topple over or make a mess, so I just
don't bother (unless it's an item I really, really like upon first
glance).
I can understand their reasoning as it does look neater and it does
look disorganized when there are tags sticking out all over the place,
but, at the same time, I do sympathize with the customers. I love it
when stores have size stickers on the edges or brands that have their
size printed inside the top– it makes things a lot easier!
Good luck with your retail sales this season :–)
––Laura
"Gromit" <gro...@glabrous.net>
Been there, done that, on both sides of the fence. As a salesperson I
just told customers with a lighthearted smile not to worry about it. I
was paid to fold things and put them away. It gives me something to
do! Corny, I know. but I really didn't mind. It seemed to put
customers at ease.
These days as a customer I still put things back as neatly as possible.
I still have a habit of "pinch/pulling" the racks (it was a term used
back in my day for grabing several garments at once on a hanging rack,
and pulling them in such a fashion as to make them all hang straight
and evenly spaced), which amuses sales people today.
On the good / anal side: I'm so organized my one small closet at chest
of drawers looks like showcase material.
–Heather in Oregon
"eatwelb...@aol.com" <eatwelbwel@aol.com>
This thread reminds me of a friend who told me a few years ago that she
urged her teenage daughter to get a job at the Gap so she would learn
how to keep her clothes neatly folded in her own room.
Sandra in PA
Leigh Melton <le...@nbi.com>
On 18 Dec 2005 10:28:11 –0800, Mo...@poetic.com wrote:
I sympathize with you wholeheartedly!!! When I worked at Banana
Republic, we were taught to always tuck the tags inside the shirts
while we folded the piles of tees, tops, or sweaters– of course, an
hour later, the piles would be destroyed since the customers would have
no choice but to pull each item out and check the size tag.
This always makes me feel terrible, because on one hand I want to
leave the stack just as I found it, but on the other hand I don't want
to spend fifteen minutes getting it just right. So I try and just
neaten it up to where I'm not totally embarrassed at the condition in
which I've left it.
Which is a ridiculous thing for a store to foist onto a customer.
The "tuck in the tag" thing annoys me on racks. If the tag was
hanging where I could see it, many times I would never even have to
touch the garment to see what size it is. If the hangers have those
little plastic loops on them with the size, that's one thing. But
*hiding* the size (and price) of a garment doesn't make sense to me
except in the case of the tag edges potentially harming a garment. In
that case though, the sizes should *definitely* be shown with a hanger
loop or something.
If nothing else, even if one's hands are clean I would think a store
would want customers to be handling the garments as little as possible
just to avoid skin oils and so on.
the visual people at corporate had mapped out how each top
would be folded (wide–fold or longer with a board) and if a district
manager were to see it, we would get points reduced from our store
visits.
That makes me think of website designers who put Flash and frames and
background music and all of that so the visitor gets a "complete
experience" which of course nobody wants, so they click away as soon
as possible. What sounds great around a corporate board meeting table
may not work in the Real World(tm).
What I wonder is why they continue to send down these rulings from on
high when surely they have to know that the practice annoys their
customers?
Even for items that were hanging, all the tags had to be
tucked inside the top, but I cannot tell you how many delicate nylon–y
blend tops we had to damage out because the tags' sharp edges would
cause snags in the fabric.
So it's not only a pain, it's wasteful! And eats up employee time
when they could be doing something more fun/profitable like, oh, say,
helping customers or opening another register. :)
Leigh
––
Consequences, shmonsequences, as long as I'm rich. – D. Duck
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
Connyc wrote:
Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a salesperson?
It drives me crazy as a customer, but as a marketing professional, it
fascinates me. Since it's such a common retail practice, I figure there
*must* be a marketing reason!
Far as I've been able to figure, it is a psychological thing: perhaps
they figure that if a customer goes through the pile digging for their
size, and makes a huge mess, they will be more likely to buy due to the
guilt factor?
"Welll... it's okay but not quite perfect but I spent so much time
going through the pile looking for my size, and I made such a mess ...
I might as well buy it"...
Otherwise, I have no clue!!
jen
Mimi <invalidemailaddr...@comcast.net>
On 17 Dec 2005 19:49:51 –0800, "Connyc" <connycl...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I work in a specialty women's apparel store which, in some areas, has
neatly folded stacks of tops and jeans on shelves.
The jeans all have clearly visible edge labeling which states their
sizes, plus leg style ("boot–cut" or "straight–leg") – this is very
informative and presents no problem at all. It's easy for a customer to
see what's available at a glance, and easy for salespeople to stack
them back in size and style order.
The tops, however, are a different story. On them, there is no
folded–edge labelling indicating their sizes, so a customer has to
manually flip through the stacks of folded sweaters, t–shirts, or tank
tops (some very plushy, thick, fluid, soft, thin, or limp) so that they
fall out of alignment when anyone handles them to find the desired
size.
Our managers tell us salespeople to constantly keep the folded stacks
of tops precisely folded, with knife–sharp edges and precise alignment,
with the paper price tags – which also display the sizes – tucked
INSIDE the necks or sides of the garments. Therefore, for a customer to
find her size, she MUST disrupt this precision stacking and folding and
tucking, to some degree. We frequently hear customers expressing regret
for "messing up" the displays of garments simply to find their sizes. I
don't think this is right. In our busy store, this happens constantly,
and of course we understand why, but, oddly, the managers don't.
Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a salesperson?
Yes, it is annoying to be hunting for the size you want on any sort of
table/rack. Also I notice they are putting more garment care labels
in the side seams of the shirt/sweaters, so I have to totally unfold
the garment, especially men's shirts and sweaters, to read how to wash
the darn thing (I avoid sweaters that need special care like 'dry
flat').
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@cs.com>
shinypenny wrote:
It drives me crazy as a customer, but as a marketing professional, it
fascinates me. Since it's such a common retail practice, I figure there
*must* be a marketing reason!
Far as I've been able to figure, it is a psychological thing: perhaps
they figure that if a customer goes through the pile digging for their
size, and makes a huge mess, they will be more likely to buy due to the
guilt factor?
"Welll... it's okay but not quite perfect but I spent so much time
going through the pile looking for my size, and I made such a mess ...
I might as well buy it"...
Otherwise, I have no clue!!
jen
That may be their logic, but it's flawed IMO. It's important to make
shopping as painless, convenient & pleasant as possible to avoid
discouraging potential customers and losing business. I can't count the
number of times I've walked out or a store without buying something
just because the merchandise was messy & unorganized or there were
insufficent SAs or cashiers. I'd have to want the items desperately to
be willing to waste spend a lot of time searching for the right size or
waiting to pay.
"Queue" <qu...@fashionhouse.com>


"Connyc" <connycl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I work in a specialty women's apparel store which, in some areas, has
neatly folded stacks of tops and jeans on shelves.
The jeans all have clearly visible edge labeling which states their
sizes, plus leg style ("boot–cut" or "straight–leg") – this is very
informative and presents no problem at all. It's easy for a customer to
see what's available at a glance, and easy for salespeople to stack
them back in size and style order.
The tops, however, are a different story. On them, there is no
folded–edge labelling indicating their sizes, so a customer has to
manually flip through the stacks of folded sweaters, t–shirts, or tank
tops (some very plushy, thick, fluid, soft, thin, or limp) so that they
fall out of alignment when anyone handles them to find the desired
size.
Our managers tell us salespeople to constantly keep the folded stacks
of tops precisely folded, with knife–sharp edges and precise alignment,
with the paper price tags – which also display the sizes – tucked
INSIDE the necks or sides of the garments. Therefore, for a customer to
find her size, she MUST disrupt this precision stacking and folding and
tucking, to some degree. We frequently hear customers expressing regret
for "messing up" the displays of garments simply to find their sizes. I
don't think this is right. In our busy store, this happens constantly,
and of course we understand why, but, oddly, the managers don't.
Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a salesperson?
There is at least one national–brand women's apparel store in which I shop
that has such an arrangement. I don't pull the product out unless I'm really
sure I might want to look at it. I'm sure I miss some good tops but I am a
"well–behaved" shopper and don't want to leave a mess behind (even though I
know the SA's get paid for fixing it). I really hate it when the product is
folded only, and I can't even see what it looks like without unfolding the
one on the top of the stack.
"Queue" <qu...@fashionhouse.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a
salesperson? >>>
I sympathize with you wholeheartedly!!! When I worked at Banana
Republic, we were taught to always tuck the tags inside the shirts
while we folded the piles of tees, tops, or sweaters– of course, an
hour later, the piles would be destroyed since the customers would have
no choice but to pull each item out and check the size tag. Our store
managers told us that the tags could not be hanging out the back (even
though it would no doubt be easier for our customers) since it looked
"messy" and the visual people at corporate had mapped out how each top
would be folded (wide–fold or longer with a board) and if a district
manager were to see it, we would get points reduced from our store
visits. Even for items that were hanging, all the tags had to be
tucked inside the top, but I cannot tell you how many delicate nylon–y
blend tops we had to damage out because the tags' sharp edges would
cause snags in the fabric.
IMO, I think it would help sales if the tags were to be hanging out the
back. Using myself as an example, sometimes I'll be shopping and see a
stack of perfectly folded tops. I wear an XS, so my size is usually on
the top, but sometimes the piles are not sized and I don't want to go
searching through and have it topple over or make a mess, so I just
don't bother (unless it's an item I really, really like upon first
glance).
I can understand their reasoning as it does look neater and it does
look disorganized when there are tags sticking out all over the place,
but, at the same time, I do sympathize with the customers. I love it
when stores have size stickers on the edges or brands that have their
size printed inside the top– it makes things a lot easier!
Good luck with your retail sales this season :–)
––Laura
The sticking out tags is a mixed blessing for me. On the one hand it makes
it easier for me to find my size if there is no sticker at the fold, but on
the other hand if the tags are sticking out it is more likely that when I
find my size in the pile the tags will be tangled making it more likely that
I will leave a mess anyway!
Maybe the visual people of retailers should be forced to work on the sales
floor (or even as a cashier!) for a week each year (or every so often) and
be given real SA jobs while on their store stint. IIRC McDonald's requires
(or required) all corporate people to work in the restaurants every so
often.
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"Connyc" <connycl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I work in a specialty women's apparel store which, in some areas, has
neatly folded stacks of tops and jeans on shelves.
The jeans all have clearly visible edge labeling which states their
sizes, plus leg style ("boot–cut" or "straight–leg") – this is very
informative and presents no problem at all. It's easy for a customer
to
see what's available at a glance, and easy for salespeople to stack
them back in size and style order.
The tops, however, are a different story. On them, there is no
folded–edge labelling indicating their sizes, so a customer has to
manually flip through the stacks of folded sweaters, t–shirts, or tank
tops (some very plushy, thick, fluid, soft, thin, or limp) so that
they
fall out of alignment when anyone handles them to find the desired
size.
Our managers tell us salespeople to constantly keep the folded stacks
of tops precisely folded, with knife–sharp edges and precise
alignment,
with the paper price tags – which also display the sizes – tucked
INSIDE the necks or sides of the garments. Therefore, for a customer
to
find her size, she MUST disrupt this precision stacking and folding
and
tucking, to some degree. We frequently hear customers expressing
regret
for "messing up" the displays of garments simply to find their sizes.
I
don't think this is right. In our busy store, this happens constantly,
and of course we understand why, but, oddly, the managers don't.
Have any of you experienced this, as a customer or as a salesperson?
I worked in retail years ago and the same thing happened then. I always
assume the tops are stacked from smallest on top to largest on the
bottom but it is still difficult to pull one out, see that it is not the
size I want, and then try to put it back in the stack. You need the
precision folding to make your displays look nice.