Hair...FWIW...

While I was in Kentucky, my mom got her usual color and cut (the classic
bob) by a really good stylist. I got my eyebrows waxed and I asked him what
type or brand of drug store hair products are "less evil" than the
rest...basically if he recommended any of them. I was really surprised that
he did not slam _all_ of them. He said that the majority of them were not
so great, esp Suave (coz of the waxy stuff & silicone), but he actually
liked Aussie stuff and Pantene stuff!! He said that Tresemme is not too bad
either. I use a lot of product (probably waste it, who knows...), but I was
glad to hear that not all drug store hair products are bad for your hair.
Those Redken bottles are soooo small for $15. Just thought I'd share, FWIW.
––Kristin
PS: I use all Pantene stuff anyways. I like Aussie tho, but the scent, esp
of the "grape" in the hairspray is a little "overpowering."

valmont32...@aol.com wrote:
I have long hair and just love the Aussie "Knot Detangler"...I've tried
all kinds of conditioners, tangl stuff, etc, but this stuff rules. What
a bargain, too, at under $3 a pop.
Jean

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:36:55 –0600, <valmont32...@aol.com> choked
out these words:
that seems like a lot to pay for Redken. we only charge about
$10.
i would never recommend Pantene to anyone. i wouldn't even
recommend using it on your dog. that stuff has so much detergent
in it; it's terrible for your hair.
there's a reason you never see a model in a Pantene commercial
run her fingers thru her hair. it's cos she can't!
david
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:47:37 –0500, Jean
<highs...@suscom–maine.netNOSPAM> choked out these words:
<snip>
how much is a 'pop'? Redken makes a product called Outshine,
that's $14.95 at Regis owned salons. it's not marketed as a
detangler, but it does the job.
not trying to talk you out of Aussie, but $3/pop sounds kinda
expensive. :)
david
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valmont32...@aol.com wrote:
I like, and use, Aussie products. I have for years...the 'Deep'
conditioner is marvelous – I color (red) every three weeks and this
keeps my long hair in wonderful condition. Also great for getting
tangles out of the little niece's fine blonde hair without
screams...sent a bottle of it home with her this summer and her mother
pronouced it 'magic'.
The shampoo is not bad either, but I prefer Suave Daily Cleansing
myself.
Used to use this before I discovered the Aussie. It wasn't bad, but I
wouldn't go back to it now.
I will not pay that much for any HBA product, but I recently tried
several Redken products as samples from a friend who does hair, mostly
'cause she offered and David seems to recommend the stuff so I thought
I'd try it. Hate the scent. Wondered who that old lady who was
following me around all day was.
I don't use hairspray, but I agree, that grape scent...oy.
I'd run like hell from any hairdresser who promoted the use of Pantene
anything. Yech. Might just as well pour parafin wax on my hair.
CV

Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
Yeah, Pantene did awful things to my hair. But I still use it every
once in awhile – just for special occasions. Because it does wonderful
things for those with thin hair. Just can't use it too often, because
then good things turn to really bad awful things (like hair falling
out).
jen

Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
whoops, I meant that it is a 8.5 oz bottle.

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:55:42 GMT, Celestia Vianello
<CelestiaViane...@att.net> choked out these words:
which Redken product was it? i know they don't all smell great,
but most do.
david
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:38:29 –0500, Jean
<highs...@suscom–maine.netNOSPAM> choked out these words:
that's better!
david
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Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
:sigh: after I posted I realized you'd ask, and I went upstairs to find
the bottles, but they already went out with the recycling last night.
I'm sorry...it was a shampoo and a conditioner, recommended (though I'm
not sure if by Redken or just by my friend who uses it in her salon) for
color–treated hair. Does that help?
I didn't care for the scent of either, found them to be 'perfumey'. It
is probably also useful to note that I never wear scent, and that other
than natural lavendar, if there's an 'unscented' version of almost any
HBA item, that's the one I'll choose.
In terms of the product itself, I found the shampoo to be neither better
nor worse than my usual preferred product, and the conditioner not
nearly as good as Aussie *for my hair*. If salon–brand products are
your thing, and you don't mind the scent, the Redken is probably as good
as anything else.
CV

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:37:39 GMT, Celestia Vianello
<CelestiaViane...@att.net> choked out these words:
it was probably the Color Extend.
i tend to buy unscented antiperspirants – because i don't want
the scent clashing with my cologne. but for the most part, i
don't notice scents from shampoo and conditioner after i get out
of the shower.
i think of Redken as a straightforward, inexpensive salon line.
it's nothing really fancy, its concepts are easy to understand.
and its colour line is one of the best i've used – very easy to
formulate, and has great tonal properties.
david
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"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote
David,
I am not trying to start a troll war by any means (lol!), but you are right
about all of the stuff you said about Redken...except "INEXPENSIVE." I have
seen the small bottles sell anywhere from $10 to $15. To me, that is kind
of expensive, esp when I use a lot of product. Maybe if the bottles were
bigger...I always get a Redken "package" from my mom's hairdresser for
Christmas and I do really like the products, but I could not afford them for
every day stuff. To each their own, right? :–) My 2 cents, which, with
inflation, isn't worth much these days....
––Kristin

In article <nZ%if.7725$DW6....@fe03.lga>, <valmont32...@aol.com> wrote:
Try Ulta. The large sizes of a lot of products tend to be dirt cheap
compared to the small bottles. I recently got a whole liter of the
Redken All Soft conditioner for only $15 there.
Stacy

Pantene can make your hair fall out? I have very thin hair that tends to get
oily very quickly and i have been using pantene conditoner.........i guess i
should stop huh?
piper

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:11:46 –0600, <valmont32...@aol.com> choked
out these words:
most of us know that retail is generally 100% markup from
wholesale. when i go to the Redken store, the shampoo costs
$4.50, and the conditioner is $5. so if you're shopping
somewhere that charges more than $10 for either component, you're
getting ripped off.
try a Regis–owned salon and check the prices. also, until Dec
23rd, we're offering a 15% discount on products when you get a
service (haircut, colour, etc), and a free gift bag.
david
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:36:55 –0600, <valmont32...@aol.com> wrote:
I've used a lot of salon products and definitely there is a huge range
in quality between brands of salon products. I would agree that Redkin
is standard straight forward, nothing fancy as far as salon products
go. If you're willing to spend $15 for a bottle of shampoo, I would
buy a different brand. :–)
However, generally the big difference between salon and drugstore is
concentration. I never feel badly about buying expensive shampoo(if I
can afford it, though right now I can't), bec it takes me months to go
through a bottle. I have shoulder length hair and really when I had
long hair it didn't make a difference either.
Basically the key is to shampoo twice. Once using a dime size amount,
work through the hair to break up most of the grease/dirt. Rinse.
Repeat. The first shampoo will get little to no lather, so don't be
alarmed. The second shampoo should produce a lot of lather. This
method has worked pretty successfully for me with Phytology, Alterna,
Rusk, Artec, Tigi(though I don't generally like their stuff), American
Crew, Pure, Sebastian & Terax products.
The trick w/ conditioner is to towel dry your hair before you apply
it, even though that seems like a pain. It WILL make a huge difference
to the condition of your hair, even if you're using a drugstore brand.
Currently I'm using the Whole Food's 365 shampoo and conditioner and
Costco's Kirkland brand. Both are fairly cheap esp the Kirkland. I
wouldn't really go as far as to recommend them, but since I'm not
colouring or processing my hair I don't find it matters too much. My
hair hasn't suffered. I have no split ends or dryness. My hair is
actually quite soft and shiny. I would attribute it more to the wheat
germ and ground flax seeds I consume than the quality of my haircare
products.

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:36:55 –0500, "Piper"
<jamiekatee...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
i'm sure the horrible things that can happen to someone (when
using Pantene) varies from person to person.
david
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valmont32...@aol.com wrote:
There is a line of Suave conditioners without silicones (the naturals
line) and Pantene has a tonne of silicone it it. I don't mind
silicones in my products it's when I use a clarifying shampoo to get
rid of the build up, my scalp is irritated and my hair doesn't feel
that great afterward. Been trying to use conditioners with 'cones for
a few weeks now, using the cheap Suave my first drugstore shampoo or
conditioner in over 10 years and I love it!! I use Paula's Choice
shampoo because it's unscented and I find it doesn't irritate my scalp
like scented shampoos do. I would love to find an unscented and
effective low/no detergent, reasonable priced shampoo though and I
doubt I will find one at the drugstore if ever.