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New clothing brand

"S.T" <some...@something.com>
Hi everyone,
I found the website of a new clothing brand called "Perplex and
Lola"(http://www.perplexandlola.com/). I find what they do very exiting.
What do you think?
S.T
"S.T" <some...@something.com>
Hi everyone,
I found the website of a new clothing brand called "Perplex and
Lola"(http://www.perplexandlola.com/). I find what they do very exiting.
What do you think?
S.T
Mo...@poetic.com
GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be targeted
toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be targeted
toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be targeted
toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be targeted
toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
––Laura
"Parakeet" <s...@uce.gov>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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| GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
| The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
| wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be
targeted
| toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
| soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
| clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
|| ––Laura
|Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in addition
to those stores?
"Parakeet" <s...@uce.gov>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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| GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
| The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
| wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be
targeted
| toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
| soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
| clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
|| ––Laura
|Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in addition
to those stores?
"Parakeet" <s...@uce.gov>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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| GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
| The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
| wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be
targeted
| toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
| soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
| clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
|| ––Laura
|Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in addition
to those stores?
"Parakeet" <s...@uce.gov>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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| GAP Inc. is also launching a new brand/store called Forth and Towne.
| The name is set because it is GAP Inc.'s fourth brand and corporate
| wanted it to project a chic, urban vision. The store will be
targeted
| toward baby–boomers with apparel that goes easily from work to the
| soccer field. They are being discreet about the specific types of
| clothing they will sell, but I think it will do well.
|| ––Laura
|Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in addition
to those stores?
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work–
when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Is it their answer to Chico's?
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work–
when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Is it their answer to Chico's?
Audrey
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and J.
Jill.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and J.
Jill.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and J.
Jill.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and J.
Jill.
––Laura
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work–
when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Is it their answer to Chico's?
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116351475.068254.290...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work–
when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
Is it their answer to Chico's?
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and
J.
Jill.
––Laura
So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and
J.
Jill.
––Laura
So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and
J.
Jill.
––Laura
So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

<<< Is it their answer to Chico's? >>>
I believe so since the listed competitors were Chico's, Talbots, and
J.
Jill.
––Laura
So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
Audrey
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws. >>>
Heehee, thanks, Audrey :) Yeah, I think it's more for those who don't
want to wear revealing clothes, and though they may be in their 40s or
50s, they still want to dress stylishly in non–frumpy clothes.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws. >>>
Heehee, thanks, Audrey :) Yeah, I think it's more for those who don't
want to wear revealing clothes, and though they may be in their 40s or
50s, they still want to dress stylishly in non–frumpy clothes.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws. >>>
Heehee, thanks, Audrey :) Yeah, I think it's more for those who don't
want to wear revealing clothes, and though they may be in their 40s or
50s, they still want to dress stylishly in non–frumpy clothes.
––Laura
Mo...@poetic.com
<<< So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws. >>>
Heehee, thanks, Audrey :) Yeah, I think it's more for those who don't
want to wear revealing clothes, and though they may be in their 40s or
50s, they still want to dress stylishly in non–frumpy clothes.
––Laura
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first, so
they'll let us know.
Claire
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first, so
they'll let us know.
Claire
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured, classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
From the press release:
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured, classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
From the press release:
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first, so
they'll let us know.
Claire
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116351475.068254.290...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

<<< Is this the same as The Gap accessory stores or is in this in
addition
to those stores? >>>
I'm not sure, we haven't really talked about it that much at work– when
I find out, I'll let you know :)
––Laura
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first, so
they'll let us know.
Claire
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured, classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
From the press release:
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116360751.641331.30...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

So you are definitely too young and hip for this line :) I read
about
it and think it is for those who want loose fitting clothes that are
supposed to hide body flaws.
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured, classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
From the press release:
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com>
Claire in SF wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116351475.068254.290...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but
honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell
me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members
of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap
customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but
they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first,
so
they'll let us know.
Claire
AND one in NYC. I'm anxious to find out where. The Gap and Banana
Republic at 59th and Lexington are both closed for major renovations
and expansions, so maybe I'll get lucky and have it local.
MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ahmward wrote:
about
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured,
classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats
and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with
Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30. If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group. Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor, Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ahmward wrote:
about
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured,
classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats
and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with
Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30. If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group. Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor, Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116369347.907247.114...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

ahmward wrote:
about
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured,
classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats
and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with
Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30. If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group. Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor, Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116369347.907247.114...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

ahmward wrote:
about
So I'm confused. :–)
I can see Chico's and J.Jill being clumped together (loose, flowing,
long and unstructured), but not Talbots (much more structured,
classic,
conservative). Chico's and J.Jill, to me, seem much more casual than
Talbots.
Sure, Talbots is hitting a more mature market, but their sizing has
always seemed to be for skinny older women, not curvy older women. For
example, I can't wear their pants at all, not since having babies
warped out my waist size. They have the least generous waists of any
store I know. But I can wear their dresses no problem (and often find
dresses I like there, including this one I have my eye on right now:
http://tinyurl.com/deqkv).
"Announced on September 15, 2004, Gap Inc.'s newest brand will offer
fashionable apparel and accessories, targeting women over the age of
35. A rapidly growing segment of the population, this group's
spending power accounts for about 39 percent of women's total apparel
expenditures."
Okay, so *I* am their target market! I am turning 40 this year, and
have money to spend if I could only find clothes that I like.
Chico's – not my style at all – too long, too loose. Makes me look 40
lbs heavier than I am.
J.Jill – like the fabrics a lot, but again, too loose and unstructured
for my tastes.
Talbots – actually like a lot of their stuff. Lots of classics in
quality fabrics. I always hit Talbot's online for dresses and coats
and
have had good luck. Fit is the issue though. I have noticed that they
recently introduced tee shirts that have more shape and skim the body
instead of the baggy mommy tees they offered before. Good thing!
Where do I, their target market, shop? BR (when I'm in a trendy mood),
Ann Taylor (great for classic basics in lucious colors and fabrics),
Ann Taylor Loft (like AT but less expensive and more casual), J Crew
(great for timeless preppy basics), dept store (lots of luck with
Ralph
Lauren but Liz Claiborne has gone waaaayyy down hill!). We need *more*
stores like that, IMO. When I want really casual, weekend–kick–around
clothes, I go to....... Gap and Old Navy.
jen
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30. If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group. Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor, Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
Audrey
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30.
They don't have to – we grew up with Gap. It was the "in" brand when I
was in high school and college. I don't need commercials to raise my
awareness & loyalty of the brand.
If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group.
I used to wander in because Children's Gap was right next door, and I
was buying cute little jean jackets for my toddlers. Now I wander in
there with my DD12 in tow. I think their styles are trendy enough for a
teen, but not so revealing like Limited Too (slutwear for preteens – my
DD is just modest enough she hates shopping there).
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far
side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a
lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor,
Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not
let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make
me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
She is very wise!
Last week's issue of Time had an article about female mid–life crisis.
It was an interesting article and mentioned the "Oprah" factor: women
of this age are undergoing makeovers in droves. Think about all the
t.v. shows about makeovers and style transformations right now, like
"WNTW" and that show "10 Years Younger." Many of the participants are
over 40. The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
What is the common style advice, no matter what your body type?? No
matter how many figure flaws you want to hide?? It sure isn't "wear
more unstructured, baggy clothes"! Nope, it is "wear more *structured*
clothes (and pay attention to fit)."
If Gap thinks that they are fulfilling an unmet need in this market by
coming out with a line of unstructured, loose, long, flowy clothing
like J.Jill, or clothing that falls into only three sizes (small,
medium, large) because it's so unstructured like Chico's, they will be
DEAD wrong. Mark my words!!!
It is true we want comfort – comfortable fabrics, more forgiving
waistbands. But structured clothing is much more flattering, and it
doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Think "stretch" material. :–)
And if the strategy is to come out with clothing for more, ahem,
generous figures, like Lane Bryant, well, have you been in Lane Bryant?
I often go in there with some of my girlfriends who like that store.
The clothing is not unstructured. They aren't selling tent dresses at
all. The clothing is highly structured. Much more flattering to a
larger figure. (I even get jealous because my girlfriends look so darn
smashing).
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
– A little more "work wear" items for business casual wear; but with
nicer, higher quality materials and construction (a lot of their work
wear items are made out of the cheapest fabrics like polyester and have
no linings). This, to me, is a major opportunity for line extension.
Skirts, dress pants, jackets, dresses, etc.
– Styles that are not quite so trendy and/or revealing (no ultra low
waists and sheer materials)
– Accessories like purses and shoes that don't look like something my
10 year old would wear (the Gap accessories are really cheesy if you
ask me). Unique jewelry, scarves, belts, to tie the look all together.
– More jackets with structure
– Greater attention to fit for this particular age group. A "formula"
for this age group that encompasses a wider range of body types with
figure flaws, but does so in structured styles not unstructured. Maybe
something like how lots of stores now have three styles of pants – high
waisted, just below the waist, low waisted – except perhaps more like:
a style for those of us who have thick waists from having babies; a
style for those of us who are more hippy and pear shaped; etc. But give
them catchier, nicer names than "apple" "pear." hee hee.
jen
"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com>
Claire in SF wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
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It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but
honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell
me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members
of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap
customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but
they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first,
so
they'll let us know.
Claire
AND one in NYC. I'm anxious to find out where. The Gap and Banana
Republic at 59th and Lexington are both closed for major renovations
and expansions, so maybe I'll get lucky and have it local.
MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com>
Claire in SF wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116351475.068254.290...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but
honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell
me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members
of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap
customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but
they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first,
so
they'll let us know.
Claire
AND one in NYC. I'm anxious to find out where. The Gap and Banana
Republic at 59th and Lexington are both closed for major renovations
and expansions, so maybe I'll get lucky and have it local.
MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30.
They don't have to – we grew up with Gap. It was the "in" brand when I
was in high school and college. I don't need commercials to raise my
awareness & loyalty of the brand.
If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group.
I used to wander in because Children's Gap was right next door, and I
was buying cute little jean jackets for my toddlers. Now I wander in
there with my DD12 in tow. I think their styles are trendy enough for a
teen, but not so revealing like Limited Too (slutwear for preteens – my
DD is just modest enough she hates shopping there).
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far
side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a
lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor,
Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not
let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make
me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
She is very wise!
Last week's issue of Time had an article about female mid–life crisis.
It was an interesting article and mentioned the "Oprah" factor: women
of this age are undergoing makeovers in droves. Think about all the
t.v. shows about makeovers and style transformations right now, like
"WNTW" and that show "10 Years Younger." Many of the participants are
over 40. The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
What is the common style advice, no matter what your body type?? No
matter how many figure flaws you want to hide?? It sure isn't "wear
more unstructured, baggy clothes"! Nope, it is "wear more *structured*
clothes (and pay attention to fit)."
If Gap thinks that they are fulfilling an unmet need in this market by
coming out with a line of unstructured, loose, long, flowy clothing
like J.Jill, or clothing that falls into only three sizes (small,
medium, large) because it's so unstructured like Chico's, they will be
DEAD wrong. Mark my words!!!
It is true we want comfort – comfortable fabrics, more forgiving
waistbands. But structured clothing is much more flattering, and it
doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Think "stretch" material. :–)
And if the strategy is to come out with clothing for more, ahem,
generous figures, like Lane Bryant, well, have you been in Lane Bryant?
I often go in there with some of my girlfriends who like that store.
The clothing is not unstructured. They aren't selling tent dresses at
all. The clothing is highly structured. Much more flattering to a
larger figure. (I even get jealous because my girlfriends look so darn
smashing).
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
– A little more "work wear" items for business casual wear; but with
nicer, higher quality materials and construction (a lot of their work
wear items are made out of the cheapest fabrics like polyester and have
no linings). This, to me, is a major opportunity for line extension.
Skirts, dress pants, jackets, dresses, etc.
– Styles that are not quite so trendy and/or revealing (no ultra low
waists and sheer materials)
– Accessories like purses and shoes that don't look like something my
10 year old would wear (the Gap accessories are really cheesy if you
ask me). Unique jewelry, scarves, belts, to tie the look all together.
– More jackets with structure
– Greater attention to fit for this particular age group. A "formula"
for this age group that encompasses a wider range of body types with
figure flaws, but does so in structured styles not unstructured. Maybe
something like how lots of stores now have three styles of pants – high
waisted, just below the waist, low waisted – except perhaps more like:
a style for those of us who have thick waists from having babies; a
style for those of us who are more hippy and pear shaped; etc. But give
them catchier, nicer names than "apple" "pear." hee hee.
jen
"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com>
Claire in SF wrote:


<Mo...@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:1116351475.068254.290...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
Unofficially, I've heard it compared to Chico's and Talbots, but
honestly I
find those brands to be miles apart so those comparisons don't tell
me much.
And neither of them are very appealing to me. Remember, the members
of the
target market for the Forth and Towne brand are the original Gap
customers.
They may have aged since then and perhaps they have spread a bit, but
they
haven't gone dowdy have they? ;) Chicgoans get to shop there first,
so
they'll let us know.
Claire
AND one in NYC. I'm anxious to find out where. The Gap and Banana
Republic at 59th and Lexington are both closed for major renovations
and expansions, so maybe I'll get lucky and have it local.
MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On 18 May 2005 06:23:01 –0700, shinypenny wrote:
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
GM has enough trouble differentiating their products even with
different brand names.
The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
They have been pretty much changing things.
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
And realize we're bigger than 36" around now.
––
Visit... http://sneakers.pair.com/
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30.
They don't have to – we grew up with Gap. It was the "in" brand when I
was in high school and college. I don't need commercials to raise my
awareness & loyalty of the brand.
If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group.
I used to wander in because Children's Gap was right next door, and I
was buying cute little jean jackets for my toddlers. Now I wander in
there with my DD12 in tow. I think their styles are trendy enough for a
teen, but not so revealing like Limited Too (slutwear for preteens – my
DD is just modest enough she hates shopping there).
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far
side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a
lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor,
Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not
let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make
me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
She is very wise!
Last week's issue of Time had an article about female mid–life crisis.
It was an interesting article and mentioned the "Oprah" factor: women
of this age are undergoing makeovers in droves. Think about all the
t.v. shows about makeovers and style transformations right now, like
"WNTW" and that show "10 Years Younger." Many of the participants are
over 40. The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
What is the common style advice, no matter what your body type?? No
matter how many figure flaws you want to hide?? It sure isn't "wear
more unstructured, baggy clothes"! Nope, it is "wear more *structured*
clothes (and pay attention to fit)."
If Gap thinks that they are fulfilling an unmet need in this market by
coming out with a line of unstructured, loose, long, flowy clothing
like J.Jill, or clothing that falls into only three sizes (small,
medium, large) because it's so unstructured like Chico's, they will be
DEAD wrong. Mark my words!!!
It is true we want comfort – comfortable fabrics, more forgiving
waistbands. But structured clothing is much more flattering, and it
doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Think "stretch" material. :–)
And if the strategy is to come out with clothing for more, ahem,
generous figures, like Lane Bryant, well, have you been in Lane Bryant?
I often go in there with some of my girlfriends who like that store.
The clothing is not unstructured. They aren't selling tent dresses at
all. The clothing is highly structured. Much more flattering to a
larger figure. (I even get jealous because my girlfriends look so darn
smashing).
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
– A little more "work wear" items for business casual wear; but with
nicer, higher quality materials and construction (a lot of their work
wear items are made out of the cheapest fabrics like polyester and have
no linings). This, to me, is a major opportunity for line extension.
Skirts, dress pants, jackets, dresses, etc.
– Styles that are not quite so trendy and/or revealing (no ultra low
waists and sheer materials)
– Accessories like purses and shoes that don't look like something my
10 year old would wear (the Gap accessories are really cheesy if you
ask me). Unique jewelry, scarves, belts, to tie the look all together.
– More jackets with structure
– Greater attention to fit for this particular age group. A "formula"
for this age group that encompasses a wider range of body types with
figure flaws, but does so in structured styles not unstructured. Maybe
something like how lots of stores now have three styles of pants – high
waisted, just below the waist, low waisted – except perhaps more like:
a style for those of us who have thick waists from having babies; a
style for those of us who are more hippy and pear shaped; etc. But give
them catchier, nicer names than "apple" "pear." hee hee.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
ahmward wrote:
I don't think the GAP markets to anyone over 30.
They don't have to – we grew up with Gap. It was the "in" brand when I
was in high school and college. I don't need commercials to raise my
awareness & loyalty of the brand.
If a 30 plus year old
happens to wander into one of their stores it is not because the ads
were appealing to their age group.
I used to wander in because Children's Gap was right next door, and I
was buying cute little jean jackets for my toddlers. Now I wander in
there with my DD12 in tow. I think their styles are trendy enough for a
teen, but not so revealing like Limited Too (slutwear for preteens – my
DD is just modest enough she hates shopping there).
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
Talbots is very conservative in
style though more structured than Chicos or J Jill. I'm on the far
side
of 50 and Ralph Lauren has been my main man for years. I also buy a
lot
of Saks Real Clothes and Oscar. I have some items from Ann Taylor,
Ann
Taylor Loft, and Old Navy. My style guru, the 21 year old, will not
let
me wear loose fitting unstructured clothes because she says they make
me
look like I weigh more than I do. She is wise beyond her years.
She is very wise!
Last week's issue of Time had an article about female mid–life crisis.
It was an interesting article and mentioned the "Oprah" factor: women
of this age are undergoing makeovers in droves. Think about all the
t.v. shows about makeovers and style transformations right now, like
"WNTW" and that show "10 Years Younger." Many of the participants are
over 40. The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
What is the common style advice, no matter what your body type?? No
matter how many figure flaws you want to hide?? It sure isn't "wear
more unstructured, baggy clothes"! Nope, it is "wear more *structured*
clothes (and pay attention to fit)."
If Gap thinks that they are fulfilling an unmet need in this market by
coming out with a line of unstructured, loose, long, flowy clothing
like J.Jill, or clothing that falls into only three sizes (small,
medium, large) because it's so unstructured like Chico's, they will be
DEAD wrong. Mark my words!!!
It is true we want comfort – comfortable fabrics, more forgiving
waistbands. But structured clothing is much more flattering, and it
doesn't have to be uncomfortable. Think "stretch" material. :–)
And if the strategy is to come out with clothing for more, ahem,
generous figures, like Lane Bryant, well, have you been in Lane Bryant?
I often go in there with some of my girlfriends who like that store.
The clothing is not unstructured. They aren't selling tent dresses at
all. The clothing is highly structured. Much more flattering to a
larger figure. (I even get jealous because my girlfriends look so darn
smashing).
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
– A little more "work wear" items for business casual wear; but with
nicer, higher quality materials and construction (a lot of their work
wear items are made out of the cheapest fabrics like polyester and have
no linings). This, to me, is a major opportunity for line extension.
Skirts, dress pants, jackets, dresses, etc.
– Styles that are not quite so trendy and/or revealing (no ultra low
waists and sheer materials)
– Accessories like purses and shoes that don't look like something my
10 year old would wear (the Gap accessories are really cheesy if you
ask me). Unique jewelry, scarves, belts, to tie the look all together.
– More jackets with structure
– Greater attention to fit for this particular age group. A "formula"
for this age group that encompasses a wider range of body types with
figure flaws, but does so in structured styles not unstructured. Maybe
something like how lots of stores now have three styles of pants – high
waisted, just below the waist, low waisted – except perhaps more like:
a style for those of us who have thick waists from having babies; a
style for those of us who are more hippy and pear shaped; etc. But give
them catchier, nicer names than "apple" "pear." hee hee.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
Claire in SF wrote:
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
The PR I read indicates there will be an emphasis on accessories. Which
makes sense to me. Gap is known for the basic staples – khakis, jeans,
tees – from which you can then build your unique look by accessorizing.
But have you checked out the accessories Gap sells today? Click here:
http://www.gap.com/asp/dept_index_all_paging.asp?wdid=2061
Some of this is kinda fun, but I would feel silly carrying a bag like
one of these. It's more what my preteens would wear.
Here's a comparison to illustrate what I'm talking about. My DD12 and I
are the same height, but are bodies are totally different. Since I've
had babies, my chest, waist and hips are more ample than hers are. I
can't wear Gap jeans anymore because the waists are not forgiving
enough (and often too low cut and belly bearing); she can. However, I
*can* wear their stretch khakis.
She and I wear the same exact size of stretch khaki modern cut pants.
How could that be, you ask? The key is in the stretch fabric. The same
pair of pants, however, looks completely different on us. She looks
more like a youthful, trendy teen, and I look more like my age and her
momma. They are very flattering pants on both of us. The modern cut is
just right for me, flaring out at the right part of the leg to balance
out my more ample figure.
For mother's day, we both wore our new stretch khakis out for brunch.
She paired hers with brightly colored layer tees from the Gap. I paired
mine with a more classic black tee. She wore bright, fun, inexpensive
flip flops. I wore high–quality, black leather Cole Haan sandals. To
complete her outfit, she accessorized by wearing one of those sash
belts that are in style (also from the Gap), carried a fun bag similar
to ones you see on the Gap site, and a bright pink canvas mini pea coat
(last year's Gap). To complete my outfit, I wore my diamond stud
earrings, a chunky silver bracelet, Coach handbag, and a black nylon
3/4 trench coat from BR.
As you can see, the difference was all in the accessories. So if Gap is
putting a lot of emphasis on accessories for their new store, that
sounds to me like a really smart move.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
Claire in SF wrote:
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
The PR I read indicates there will be an emphasis on accessories. Which
makes sense to me. Gap is known for the basic staples – khakis, jeans,
tees – from which you can then build your unique look by accessorizing.
But have you checked out the accessories Gap sells today? Click here:
http://www.gap.com/asp/dept_index_all_paging.asp?wdid=2061
Some of this is kinda fun, but I would feel silly carrying a bag like
one of these. It's more what my preteens would wear.
Here's a comparison to illustrate what I'm talking about. My DD12 and I
are the same height, but are bodies are totally different. Since I've
had babies, my chest, waist and hips are more ample than hers are. I
can't wear Gap jeans anymore because the waists are not forgiving
enough (and often too low cut and belly bearing); she can. However, I
*can* wear their stretch khakis.
She and I wear the same exact size of stretch khaki modern cut pants.
How could that be, you ask? The key is in the stretch fabric. The same
pair of pants, however, looks completely different on us. She looks
more like a youthful, trendy teen, and I look more like my age and her
momma. They are very flattering pants on both of us. The modern cut is
just right for me, flaring out at the right part of the leg to balance
out my more ample figure.
For mother's day, we both wore our new stretch khakis out for brunch.
She paired hers with brightly colored layer tees from the Gap. I paired
mine with a more classic black tee. She wore bright, fun, inexpensive
flip flops. I wore high–quality, black leather Cole Haan sandals. To
complete her outfit, she accessorized by wearing one of those sash
belts that are in style (also from the Gap), carried a fun bag similar
to ones you see on the Gap site, and a bright pink canvas mini pea coat
(last year's Gap). To complete my outfit, I wore my diamond stud
earrings, a chunky silver bracelet, Coach handbag, and a black nylon
3/4 trench coat from BR.
As you can see, the difference was all in the accessories. So if Gap is
putting a lot of emphasis on accessories for their new store, that
sounds to me like a really smart move.
jen
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On 18 May 2005 06:23:01 –0700, shinypenny wrote:
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
GM has enough trouble differentiating their products even with
different brand names.
The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
They have been pretty much changing things.
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
And realize we're bigger than 36" around now.
––
Visit... http://sneakers.pair.com/
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On 18 May 2005 06:23:01 –0700, shinypenny wrote:
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
GM has enough trouble differentiating their products even with
different brand names.
The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
They have been pretty much changing things.
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
And realize we're bigger than 36" around now.
––
Visit... http://sneakers.pair.com/
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
Claire in SF wrote:
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
The PR I read indicates there will be an emphasis on accessories. Which
makes sense to me. Gap is known for the basic staples – khakis, jeans,
tees – from which you can then build your unique look by accessorizing.
But have you checked out the accessories Gap sells today? Click here:
http://www.gap.com/asp/dept_index_all_paging.asp?wdid=2061
Some of this is kinda fun, but I would feel silly carrying a bag like
one of these. It's more what my preteens would wear.
Here's a comparison to illustrate what I'm talking about. My DD12 and I
are the same height, but are bodies are totally different. Since I've
had babies, my chest, waist and hips are more ample than hers are. I
can't wear Gap jeans anymore because the waists are not forgiving
enough (and often too low cut and belly bearing); she can. However, I
*can* wear their stretch khakis.
She and I wear the same exact size of stretch khaki modern cut pants.
How could that be, you ask? The key is in the stretch fabric. The same
pair of pants, however, looks completely different on us. She looks
more like a youthful, trendy teen, and I look more like my age and her
momma. They are very flattering pants on both of us. The modern cut is
just right for me, flaring out at the right part of the leg to balance
out my more ample figure.
For mother's day, we both wore our new stretch khakis out for brunch.
She paired hers with brightly colored layer tees from the Gap. I paired
mine with a more classic black tee. She wore bright, fun, inexpensive
flip flops. I wore high–quality, black leather Cole Haan sandals. To
complete her outfit, she accessorized by wearing one of those sash
belts that are in style (also from the Gap), carried a fun bag similar
to ones you see on the Gap site, and a bright pink canvas mini pea coat
(last year's Gap). To complete my outfit, I wore my diamond stud
earrings, a chunky silver bracelet, Coach handbag, and a black nylon
3/4 trench coat from BR.
As you can see, the difference was all in the accessories. So if Gap is
putting a lot of emphasis on accessories for their new store, that
sounds to me like a really smart move.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
Claire in SF wrote:
It is separate from the accessories stores. At least that's what I
gather
from having read the press releases and listened to the recordings of
the
most recent conference calls.
The PR I read indicates there will be an emphasis on accessories. Which
makes sense to me. Gap is known for the basic staples – khakis, jeans,
tees – from which you can then build your unique look by accessorizing.
But have you checked out the accessories Gap sells today? Click here:
http://www.gap.com/asp/dept_index_all_paging.asp?wdid=2061
Some of this is kinda fun, but I would feel silly carrying a bag like
one of these. It's more what my preteens would wear.
Here's a comparison to illustrate what I'm talking about. My DD12 and I
are the same height, but are bodies are totally different. Since I've
had babies, my chest, waist and hips are more ample than hers are. I
can't wear Gap jeans anymore because the waists are not forgiving
enough (and often too low cut and belly bearing); she can. However, I
*can* wear their stretch khakis.
She and I wear the same exact size of stretch khaki modern cut pants.
How could that be, you ask? The key is in the stretch fabric. The same
pair of pants, however, looks completely different on us. She looks
more like a youthful, trendy teen, and I look more like my age and her
momma. They are very flattering pants on both of us. The modern cut is
just right for me, flaring out at the right part of the leg to balance
out my more ample figure.
For mother's day, we both wore our new stretch khakis out for brunch.
She paired hers with brightly colored layer tees from the Gap. I paired
mine with a more classic black tee. She wore bright, fun, inexpensive
flip flops. I wore high–quality, black leather Cole Haan sandals. To
complete her outfit, she accessorized by wearing one of those sash
belts that are in style (also from the Gap), carried a fun bag similar
to ones you see on the Gap site, and a bright pink canvas mini pea coat
(last year's Gap). To complete my outfit, I wore my diamond stud
earrings, a chunky silver bracelet, Coach handbag, and a black nylon
3/4 trench coat from BR.
As you can see, the difference was all in the accessories. So if Gap is
putting a lot of emphasis on accessories for their new store, that
sounds to me like a really smart move.
jen
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On 18 May 2005 06:23:01 –0700, shinypenny wrote:
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
GM has enough trouble differentiating their products even with
different brand names.
The baby boomers, as they age, have a lot of disposable income
and they are fast becoming the most fashionable and stylish mid–lifers
of any generation.
They have been pretty much changing things.
Here is what I want from Gap, as a member of their target market:
– Same basic idea – clothes that are casual like khaki's and jeans and
tees – but with more forgiving waistbands and ample use of stretch
fabrics.
And realize we're bigger than 36" around now.
––
Visit... http://sneakers.pair.com/
<valmont32...@aol.com>


"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116423327.624261.59...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
Lane Bryant....you can find some nice stuff for the 40+ crowd yet nice
young/fresh stuff too, but if you are really looking for a plus sized 40+
store, try Catherine's! They also have a website IIRC. HTH. :–)
––Kristin
PS: Catherine's sells the BEST plus sized undies/lingerie...much better
than Lane Bryant. I got a body shaper girdle thing there that I have gotten
a ton of wear out of!
<valmont32...@aol.com>


"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116423327.624261.59...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
Lane Bryant....you can find some nice stuff for the 40+ crowd yet nice
young/fresh stuff too, but if you are really looking for a plus sized 40+
store, try Catherine's! They also have a website IIRC. HTH. :–)
––Kristin
PS: Catherine's sells the BEST plus sized undies/lingerie...much better
than Lane Bryant. I got a body shaper girdle thing there that I have gotten
a ton of wear out of!
<valmont32...@aol.com>


"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116423327.624261.59...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
Lane Bryant....you can find some nice stuff for the 40+ crowd yet nice
young/fresh stuff too, but if you are really looking for a plus sized 40+
store, try Catherine's! They also have a website IIRC. HTH. :–)
––Kristin
PS: Catherine's sells the BEST plus sized undies/lingerie...much better
than Lane Bryant. I got a body shaper girdle thing there that I have gotten
a ton of wear out of!
<valmont32...@aol.com>


"Barbara" <mom_2_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1116423327.624261.59...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

MY guess is Banana Republic for the 40+ crowd, including a plus–sized
line. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Barbara
Lane Bryant....you can find some nice stuff for the 40+ crowd yet nice
young/fresh stuff too, but if you are really looking for a plus sized 40+
store, try Catherine's! They also have a website IIRC. HTH. :–)
––Kristin
PS: Catherine's sells the BEST plus sized undies/lingerie...much better
than Lane Bryant. I got a body shaper girdle thing there that I have gotten
a ton of wear out of!
Veronica Moonlit <veronicaMoon...@mchsi.com>
valmont32...@aol.com wrote:
Lane Bryant....you can find some nice stuff for the 40+ crowd yet nice
young/fresh stuff too, but if you are really looking for a plus sized 40+
store, try Catherine's! They also have a website IIRC. HTH. :–)
I found the closest Catherines (in Bloomington), to be a bit dowdy
style wise to me. Too many embroidered tops with patching pants sort
of outfits. They didn't have anything that appealed to me.(I'm 38 though)
––Kristin
PS: Catherine's sells the BEST plus sized undies/lingerie...much better
than Lane Bryant. I got a body shaper girdle thing there that I have gotten
a ton of wear out of!
I don't recall seeing lingerie at the Catherines I was at. The
Bloomington Lane Bryant has a large selection though.(My sister likes
their lingerie) You can also find some good plus size undies at
Fashion Bug.(which is, of course, a Charming Shoppes store like Lane
Bryant and Catherines) One thing I like about Charming Shoppes is
they actually use plus size models in their store displays, newspaper
flyers, websites.
Veronica
––
Makeup, it takes believing in. Like a magic carpet, it's belief that
makes it fly. Otherwise, it's just a rug.
If you believe in it, makeup has a magic all it's own.
Of course, makeup is only dime–store magic. But it works well enough,
when it's used properly.",
the makeup artist, from the book Sooner or Later, based on the 1978 TV
movie of the same name.
Veronica Moonlit <veronicaMoon...@mchsi.com>
valmont32...@aol.com wrote:
Lane Bryant....you can find some nice stuff for the 40+ crowd yet nice
young/fresh stuff too, but if you are really looking for a plus sized 40+
store, try Catherine's! They also have a website IIRC. HTH. :–)
I found the closest Catherines (in Bloomington), to be a bit dowdy
style wise to me. Too many embroidered tops with patching pants sort
of outfits. They didn't have anything that appealed to me.(I'm 38 though)
––Kristin
PS: Catherine's sells the BEST plus sized undies/lingerie...much better
than Lane Bryant. I got a body shaper girdle thing there that I have gotten
a ton of wear out of!
I don't recall seeing lingerie at the Catherines I was at. The
Bloomington Lane Bryant has a large selection though.(My sister likes
their lingerie) You can also find some good plus size undies at
Fashion Bug.(which is, of course, a Charming Shoppes store like Lane
Bryant and Catherines) One thing I like about Charming Shoppes is
they actually use plus size models in their store displays, newspaper
flyers, websites.
Veronica
––
Makeup, it takes believing in. Like a magic carpet, it's belief that
makes it fly. Otherwise, it's just a rug.
If you believe in it, makeup has a magic all it's own.
Of course, makeup is only dime–store magic. But it works well enough,
when it's used properly.",
the makeup artist, from the book Sooner or Later, based on the 1978 TV
movie of the same name.
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116422581.117720.286...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

ahmward wrote:
They don't have to – we grew up with Gap. It was the "in" brand when I
was in high school and college. I don't need commercials to raise my
awareness & loyalty of the brand.
I used to wander in because Children's Gap was right next door, and I
was buying cute little jean jackets for my toddlers. Now I wander in
there with my DD12 in tow. I think their styles are trendy enough for
a
teen, but not so revealing like Limited Too (slutwear for preteens –
my
DD is just modest enough she hates shopping there).
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it, the way they did with Gap Baby and
Children's Gap (hmm... maybe "Hip Boomer Gap"?). More economical
marketing that way. But then I'm in marketing, so I dwell on all this
stuff.
I have no loyalty to Gap because they disappointed me for so many years
with boring mall clothes that looked like the offerings in every other
store at the mall. SJP in the Gap ads peaked my interest a bit but I
haven't bought anything from Gap in recent years other than basic tee
shirts for my son. My daughters haven't shopped there since there in
the past 2–3 years. In was the "in" brand several years ago but it will
take more than just the name association to get me in the new stores.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116422581.117720.286...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

ahmward wrote:
They don't have to – we grew up with Gap. It was the "in" brand when I
was in high school and college. I don't need commercials to raise my
awareness & loyalty of the brand.
I used to wander in because Children's Gap was right next door, and I
was buying cute little jean jackets for my toddlers. Now I wander in
there with my DD12 in tow. I think their styles are trendy enough for
a
teen, but not so revealing like Limited Too (slutwear for preteens –
my
DD is just modest enough she hates shopping there).
Frankly, I don't get why the Gap decided to name this new store
something other than Gap II or some other brand extension. Now they
have to spend tons of $ to build up a new brand name. They should've
realized they already have a very well established brand with this age
group, and just played off of it,