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Rant: Inconsistent Sizing

ami kio <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com>
5/14/2005 5:38:55 PM
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if you're a 6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The length is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my size, I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Peeved,
ami
ami kio <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com>
5/14/2005 5:38:55 PM
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if you're a 6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The length is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my size, I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Peeved,
ami
"Stevie" <privilegemagaz...@charter.net>
5/14/2005 3:50:33 PM
Ami
I too am a 2 in JCREW suiting.. but what I am in other things like shorts
etc is anyone's guess. it varies so much. you might be buying older season
merchandise when their sizing was worse
at least you can take it in
Stevie


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEABE82F.69C9D%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if you're a
6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The length
is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my size,
I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another pair
for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck can I
be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Peeved,
ami
"Stevie" <privilegemagaz...@charter.net>
5/14/2005 3:50:33 PM
Ami
I too am a 2 in JCREW suiting.. but what I am in other things like shorts
etc is anyone's guess. it varies so much. you might be buying older season
merchandise when their sizing was worse
at least you can take it in
Stevie


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEABE82F.69C9D%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if you're a
6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The length
is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my size,
I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another pair
for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck can I
be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Peeved,
ami
"Stevie" <privilegemagaz...@charter.net>
5/14/2005 3:50:33 PM
Ami
I too am a 2 in JCREW suiting.. but what I am in other things like shorts
etc is anyone's guess. it varies so much. you might be buying older season
merchandise when their sizing was worse
at least you can take it in
Stevie


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEABE82F.69C9D%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if you're a
6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The length
is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my size,
I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another pair
for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck can I
be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Peeved,
ami
"Stevie" <privilegemagaz...@charter.net>
5/14/2005 3:50:33 PM
Ami
I too am a 2 in JCREW suiting.. but what I am in other things like shorts
etc is anyone's guess. it varies so much. you might be buying older season
merchandise when their sizing was worse
at least you can take it in
Stevie


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEABE82F.69C9D%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if you're a
6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The length
is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my size,
I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another pair
for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck can I
be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Peeved,
ami
The Lindbergh Baby <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net>
5/15/2005 6:57:35 PM
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
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The Lindbergh Baby <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net>
5/15/2005 6:57:35 PM
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
––
To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. ––Beethoven
The Lindbergh Baby <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net>
5/15/2005 6:57:35 PM
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
––
To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. ––Beethoven
The Lindbergh Baby <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net>
5/15/2005 6:57:35 PM
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
––
To reply, remove "die.spammers" from address
Von Herzen, moge es wieder zu Herzen gehen. ––Beethoven
ami kio <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com>
5/15/2005 2:49:01 PM
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
ami kio <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com>
5/15/2005 2:49:01 PM
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
Lisa Drake <ldr...@pobox.com>
5/16/2005 12:27:47 AM
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
Lisa Drake <ldr...@pobox.com>
5/16/2005 12:27:47 AM
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
Lisa Drake <ldr...@pobox.com>
5/16/2005 12:27:47 AM
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
Lisa Drake <ldr...@pobox.com>
5/16/2005 12:27:47 AM
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
ami kio <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com>
5/15/2005 2:49:01 PM
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
ami kio <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com>
5/15/2005 2:49:01 PM
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
I once bought three pair of pants––Gap, I think––and they were tagged
the same size, but all were radically different. I mean, one size fit
perfectly, one was a little tight and one I'd never fit into unless I
teleported myself back to high school. The sizes weren't just mismarked
on the paper tag either; these sizes were sewn into the pants. Yet if
you just held them up you could see, with one pair in particular, that
they were waaaay small.
Funny thing is, when I took them back and showed this to the sales
droids, they just said, "Yeah, that happens." Yeah that happens??? If
you're going to be off that much, why bother sizing clothing at all??
John
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
"Trianna" <triannadun...@hotmail.com>
5/15/2005 1:00:30 PM
ami kio wrote:
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if
you're a 6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be
that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The
length is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I
prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my
size, I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which
would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally
pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
"Trianna" <triannadun...@hotmail.com>
5/15/2005 1:00:30 PM
ami kio wrote:
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if
you're a 6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be
that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The
length is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I
prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my
size, I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which
would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally
pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
"Trianna" <triannadun...@hotmail.com>
5/15/2005 1:00:30 PM
ami kio wrote:
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if
you're a 6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be
that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The
length is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I
prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my
size, I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which
would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally
pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
"Trianna" <triannadun...@hotmail.com>
5/15/2005 1:00:30 PM
ami kio wrote:
Long ago I accepted that women's sizing is a ballpark figure: if
you're a 6
in brand X, you could be anywhere from a 4–8 (at least) in brand Y.
Nonetheless, normally once I determine my size in brand X, I would be
that
size for the rest of their line.
Not so with JCrew! I bought a pair of cords from them in P2. The
length is
perfect, the waist and hips are a little loose but acceptable (I
prefer
loose over snug –– body–skimming is ideal). So now confident of my
size, I
bid on a pair of JCrew P2 jeans on ebay. I got them for ~$20, which
would
be fine... if they fit! These jeans are huge on me. I can literally
pull
them off without unfastening them!
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
5/15/2005 5:55:11 PM


"Lisa Drake" <ldr...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:ldrake–E33E5C.20274715052...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
A lot of the inconsistency can be attributed to the style. In one given
size you can buy pants meant to fit snug, loose, at the waist, below the
waist, bootcut, flared, etc. If we were all required to wear one style
they could be made to specific measurements so every pair would be the
same. It would certainly be boring. Our tops are more consistent
because there aren't as many variations in style but everyone is
slightly different from the waist down and everyone seems to have
different expectations regarding how a pair of pants should fit.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
5/15/2005 5:55:11 PM


"Lisa Drake" <ldr...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:ldrake–E33E5C.20274715052...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
A lot of the inconsistency can be attributed to the style. In one given
size you can buy pants meant to fit snug, loose, at the waist, below the
waist, bootcut, flared, etc. If we were all required to wear one style
they could be made to specific measurements so every pair would be the
same. It would certainly be boring. Our tops are more consistent
because there aren't as many variations in style but everyone is
slightly different from the waist down and everyone seems to have
different expectations regarding how a pair of pants should fit.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
5/15/2005 5:55:11 PM


"Lisa Drake" <ldr...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:ldrake–E33E5C.20274715052...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
A lot of the inconsistency can be attributed to the style. In one given
size you can buy pants meant to fit snug, loose, at the waist, below the
waist, bootcut, flared, etc. If we were all required to wear one style
they could be made to specific measurements so every pair would be the
same. It would certainly be boring. Our tops are more consistent
because there aren't as many variations in style but everyone is
slightly different from the waist down and everyone seems to have
different expectations regarding how a pair of pants should fit.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
5/15/2005 5:55:11 PM


"Lisa Drake" <ldr...@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:ldrake–E33E5C.20274715052...@news1.west.earthlink.net...
I once bought a bunch of pants & shorts from J.Jill online based on a
great fitting pair of pants I already had from there. Of the 5 pairs,
one fit and 4 had to be returned.
A lot of the inconsistency can be attributed to the style. In one given
size you can buy pants meant to fit snug, loose, at the waist, below the
waist, bootcut, flared, etc. If we were all required to wear one style
they could be made to specific measurements so every pair would be the
same. It would certainly be boring. Our tops are more consistent
because there aren't as many variations in style but everyone is
slightly different from the waist down and everyone seems to have
different expectations regarding how a pair of pants should fit.
Audrey
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@cs.com>
5/15/2005 11:07:46 PM
Trianna wrote:
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
Many of the clothes sold on Ebay are irregulars so that may also
account for the sizing problems.
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@cs.com>
5/15/2005 11:07:46 PM
Trianna wrote:
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
Many of the clothes sold on Ebay are irregulars so that may also
account for the sizing problems.
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@cs.com>
5/15/2005 11:07:46 PM
Trianna wrote:
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
Many of the clothes sold on Ebay are irregulars so that may also
account for the sizing problems.
"scorpio00g...@cs.com" <scorpio00girl@cs.com>
5/15/2005 11:07:46 PM
Trianna wrote:
Are these jeans newer? Older? Maybe the jeans are from a different
supplier than the cords are?
I never buy clothing from eBay unless the seller gives actual
measurements in the listing, which I compare against the actual
measurements of clothing that fits me. If the listing doesn't have
actual measurements in it, I ask for them and if I don't get them, I
don't bid.
It's a hassle, but you can always sell the non–fitting jeans on eBay,
right?
;)
T.
Many of the clothes sold on Ebay are irregulars so that may also
account for the sizing problems.
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
5/16/2005 4:52:19 AM
ami kio wrote:
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
I've had that experience many times with J Crew. It seems to me that
their regular sizes are more consistent than their petites – not sure
why that is. I have not bought a pair of pants there in a long time
(precisely because of this issue), but if I did, I'd buy the regular
size and plan on having it hemmed. The petites are that bad. It used to
be okay when they carried petites in my local store, because I could
spend hours trying on several, but I can't take that chance ordering
online. With that said, it doesn't seem to be an issue with their tops
and sweaters. (Love their sweaters!)
I've also had that experience (recently) with Gap. I found a perfect
pair of khaki's at the store, so I went home and ordered another pair
in a different color – same cut, same size – and I couldn't even zip
the darn things. I shoulda learned my lesson last year, when I had the
same experience – had this favorite pair of pants that I was wearing to
death, saw the same pants on sale online, ordered a "backup" pair –
exact same style, material, and size – and I had to give them to my DD
because I couldn't even pull them up over my thigh.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Banana Republic has the most
consistent sizing around. I've never had an issue with their sizing,
and am always confident ordering online. I think I've only ever
returned one item, and that was a coat that fit fine, but the color was
atrocious on me.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
5/16/2005 4:52:19 AM
ami kio wrote:
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
I've had that experience many times with J Crew. It seems to me that
their regular sizes are more consistent than their petites – not sure
why that is. I have not bought a pair of pants there in a long time
(precisely because of this issue), but if I did, I'd buy the regular
size and plan on having it hemmed. The petites are that bad. It used to
be okay when they carried petites in my local store, because I could
spend hours trying on several, but I can't take that chance ordering
online. With that said, it doesn't seem to be an issue with their tops
and sweaters. (Love their sweaters!)
I've also had that experience (recently) with Gap. I found a perfect
pair of khaki's at the store, so I went home and ordered another pair
in a different color – same cut, same size – and I couldn't even zip
the darn things. I shoulda learned my lesson last year, when I had the
same experience – had this favorite pair of pants that I was wearing to
death, saw the same pants on sale online, ordered a "backup" pair –
exact same style, material, and size – and I had to give them to my DD
because I couldn't even pull them up over my thigh.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Banana Republic has the most
consistent sizing around. I've never had an issue with their sizing,
and am always confident ordering online. I think I've only ever
returned one item, and that was a coat that fit fine, but the color was
atrocious on me.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
5/16/2005 4:52:19 AM
ami kio wrote:
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
I've had that experience many times with J Crew. It seems to me that
their regular sizes are more consistent than their petites – not sure
why that is. I have not bought a pair of pants there in a long time
(precisely because of this issue), but if I did, I'd buy the regular
size and plan on having it hemmed. The petites are that bad. It used to
be okay when they carried petites in my local store, because I could
spend hours trying on several, but I can't take that chance ordering
online. With that said, it doesn't seem to be an issue with their tops
and sweaters. (Love their sweaters!)
I've also had that experience (recently) with Gap. I found a perfect
pair of khaki's at the store, so I went home and ordered another pair
in a different color – same cut, same size – and I couldn't even zip
the darn things. I shoulda learned my lesson last year, when I had the
same experience – had this favorite pair of pants that I was wearing to
death, saw the same pants on sale online, ordered a "backup" pair –
exact same style, material, and size – and I had to give them to my DD
because I couldn't even pull them up over my thigh.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Banana Republic has the most
consistent sizing around. I've never had an issue with their sizing,
and am always confident ordering online. I think I've only ever
returned one item, and that was a coat that fit fine, but the color was
atrocious on me.
jen
"shinypenny" <shinypenny0...@yahoo.com>
5/16/2005 4:52:19 AM
ami kio wrote:
So I think, eh, I should try a 0, those should fit. I buy another
pair for
~$20 off of ebay (my local store doesn't seem to stock 0s regularly
and
doesn't carry petites). These jeans are too big too! How the heck
can I be
P2 in their cords but be a –1 in their jeans?!?
I've had that experience many times with J Crew. It seems to me that
their regular sizes are more consistent than their petites – not sure
why that is. I have not bought a pair of pants there in a long time
(precisely because of this issue), but if I did, I'd buy the regular
size and plan on having it hemmed. The petites are that bad. It used to
be okay when they carried petites in my local store, because I could
spend hours trying on several, but I can't take that chance ordering
online. With that said, it doesn't seem to be an issue with their tops
and sweaters. (Love their sweaters!)
I've also had that experience (recently) with Gap. I found a perfect
pair of khaki's at the store, so I went home and ordered another pair
in a different color – same cut, same size – and I couldn't even zip
the darn things. I shoulda learned my lesson last year, when I had the
same experience – had this favorite pair of pants that I was wearing to
death, saw the same pants on sale online, ordered a "backup" pair –
exact same style, material, and size – and I had to give them to my DD
because I couldn't even pull them up over my thigh.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Banana Republic has the most
consistent sizing around. I've never had an issue with their sizing,
and am always confident ordering online. I think I've only ever
returned one item, and that was a coat that fit fine, but the color was
atrocious on me.
jen
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>
5/16/2005 8:34:36 PM


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEAD11DD.69CD1%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find
the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size
X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
That says a lot about J Crew. (And, besides, J Crew is now run by the former
Gap CEO and Old Navy originator Mickey Drexler.)
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>
5/16/2005 8:34:36 PM


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEAD11DD.69CD1%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find
the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size
X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
That says a lot about J Crew. (And, besides, J Crew is now run by the former
Gap CEO and Old Navy originator Mickey Drexler.)
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>
5/16/2005 8:34:36 PM


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEAD11DD.69CD1%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find
the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size
X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
That says a lot about J Crew. (And, besides, J Crew is now run by the former
Gap CEO and Old Navy originator Mickey Drexler.)
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>
5/16/2005 8:34:36 PM


"ami kio" <...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com> wrote in message
news:BEAD11DD.69CD1%...@cant–take–anymore–spam.com...
On 5/15/05 1:57 PM, in article 42879B9F.2030...@die.spammersearthlink.net,
"The Lindbergh Baby" <johngrabows...@die.spammersearthlink.net> wrote:
IME, many low–to–mid–priced lines (e.g. Old Navy, Gap) have looser
tolerances on their garments. This is due to material being cut in a huge
stack, so the machine that cuts the fabric tugs on the upper layers, thus
causing the shape cut out of the top layer to not quite match the bottom
layer. If you really care about a perfect fit, it's a good idea to bring
several of the same sized garment in the dressing room with you to find
the
perfect fit. Regardless, I've never had the experience before where size
X
fit in one garment but that same size was more than 1" larger in the waist
on another garment of the same line.
Higher quality lines will cut their material in a short(er) stack so that
each piece matches the next. Considering their prices, I had assumed that
Jcrew was one of those, but obviously I was mistaken.
ami
That says a lot about J Crew. (And, besides, J Crew is now run by the former
Gap CEO and Old Navy originator Mickey Drexler.)