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Weightloss help

"Khadijat" <khadi...@virginia.edu>
O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all of the
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back to the
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner. I
am not a junkfood person, I exercise, I drink a lot of water and tea. I
don't drink alcohol or coffee. I admit to eating bread (wheat and whole
grain) once in a while.
So I don't understand what is wrong. I am very much desperate and near
depress. I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and eventually
long–term way. So if you can help I will seriously love you and share my
update with you all. Thanks
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:51:01 –0500, Khadijat wrote:
O.k. I need to loose some pounds.
But yea back to the weightloss dilemma.
I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner.
So I don't understand what is wrong.
I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and
eventually long–term way.
All in all, there's only one way to lose weight: burn more calories
than you eat. Definitely best to do it slowly but surely.
"Lipgloss Junkie" <lipglossjun...@gmail.com>
I wholeheartedly suggest joining weightwatchers. It's only $12 a week,
so not expensive and it's very supportive and sensible.
They will help you find out what it is in your diet or excercise that's
holding you back.
Melanie
ps check out alt.support.diet.weightwatchers. They are a friendly and
helpful bunch.
maud silver <maud_sil...@yahoo.com>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:39:06 –0700, "ahmward"
<nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, Maud
_waves_back_ :)
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
maud silver <maud_sil...@yahoo.com>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:39:06 –0700, "ahmward"
<nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, Maud
_waves_back_ :)
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
maud silver <maud_sil...@yahoo.com>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:39:06 –0700, "ahmward"
<nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, Maud
_waves_back_ :)
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
maud silver <maud_sil...@yahoo.com>
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:39:06 –0700, "ahmward"
<nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi, Maud
_waves_back_ :)
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
"melizabeth" <myfakeaddr...@nospam.com>


"Lipgloss Junkie" <lipglossjun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I wholeheartedly suggest joining weightwatchers. It's only $12 a week,
so not expensive and it's very supportive and sensible.
They will help you find out what it is in your diet or excercise that's
holding you back.
Melanie
ps check out alt.support.diet.weightwatchers. They are a friendly and
helpful bunch.
I second joining WeightWatchers. I joined after needing to lose some baby
weight...its slowly but steadily coming off.
Martha Gallagher <ma...@patriot.net>
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, melizabeth wrote:


"Lipgloss Junkie" <lipglossjun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I second joining WeightWatchers. I joined after needing to lose some baby
weight...its slowly but steadily coming off.
Bonchic <Bonchic.1l6...@no–mx.theFashionSpot.com>
I've lost I think around 10 lbs (I should have weighed when I started
and like marked the date but I didn't). I weighed 130 (135?) lbs and I
know way 125 so I'm getting there. I am a very big sweet (ice cream, no
donuts hate them, mainly ice cream) and bread eater. So if you can find
something to replace your cravings for me I eat toast in the morning so
I get my bread craving over. Anyways as far as exercise I've started
jogging, I was walking but now gradually I'm jogging more. I jog 1/2 a
mile and walk 1/2 a mile.. so on. And I bought some resistance bands at
Target which work great and are hard. Also I do crunches (which I hate
but I know they work). Oh and last but not least I only eat fish no
other kinds of meat. And I try to drink as much green tea as possible
because it helps your skin and helps you shed the lbs! But if you do
drink green tea only sweeten it with splenda or equal (I think it was
equal) because I read any other sweetner takes the good stuff out of
the green tea. GOOD LUCK!:flower:
––
Bonchic
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"Nanm" <nanmor...@hotmail.com>
I lost about 5 pounds in 4 weeks time by simply cutting out my morning
trip to the coffee shop. I made coffee at home, and added only skim
milk – no half and half! Also, this made me eliminate my morning
pastry, and instead I now have high fiber cereal.
It is so easy to sabotage our own efforts and not realize it.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:03:46 –0500, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
On Saturday and
Sunday eat as many calories as you've been eating plus 700. Eating more
on the weekends keeps your metabolism up.
source? cite?
david
Lisa Slavik <l...@beautycafe.com>
Like others have suggested, joining a support group is a great
way...they will help you in finding a nutritional way to lose weight,
which is very important. There are many on the internet..in fact just
like there is alt.fashion there are UseNet newgroups for people trying
to lose weight.
Others also suggested working out..just walking a half hour every day
can help you, you can walk out side during a beautiful day or like many
people do here in Dallas, drive to a local mall and walk the mall during
bad weather... I like walking the mall sometimes for inspiration..you
can look at all the pretty clothes you are going to buy when you lose
the weight...my best wishes to you, you've already made the first step
towards losing the weight..now just follow through....find yourself
someone who can be supportive to you and help you when you need it.
Love, Laughter, and Friendship,
Lisa
www.beautycafe.com
Khadijat wrote:
O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all of the
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back to the
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner. I
am not a junkfood person, I exercise, I drink a lot of water and tea. I
don't drink alcohol or coffee. I admit to eating bread (wheat and whole
grain) once in a while.
So I don't understand what is wrong. I am very much desperate and near
depress. I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and eventually
long–term way. So if you can help I will seriously love you and share my
update with you all. Thanks

"Khadijat" <khadi...@virginia.edu>
You all have been more than great. I have taken everythig into
consideration. I am crossing my fingers. I will so let you all know when I
get to that weight goal. Kepp 'em coming if you have more advise.
Seriously guys you have all been nothing short of amazing. Makes me wanna
cry..
Hugs and kisses
Khadijat


"Bonchic" <Bonchic.1l6...@no–mx.theFashionSpot.com> wrote in message
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I've lost I think around 10 lbs (I should have weighed when I started
and like marked the date but I didn't). I weighed 130 (135?) lbs and I
know way 125 so I'm getting there. I am a very big sweet (ice cream, no
donuts hate them, mainly ice cream) and bread eater. So if you can find
something to replace your cravings for me I eat toast in the morning so
I get my bread craving over. Anyways as far as exercise I've started
jogging, I was walking but now gradually I'm jogging more. I jog 1/2 a
mile and walk 1/2 a mile.. so on. And I bought some resistance bands at
Target which work great and are hard. Also I do crunches (which I hate
but I know they work). Oh and last but not least I only eat fish no
other kinds of meat. And I try to drink as much green tea as possible
because it helps your skin and helps you shed the lbs! But if you do
drink green tea only sweeten it with splenda or equal (I think it was
equal) because I read any other sweetner takes the good stuff out of
the green tea. GOOD LUCK!:flower:
––
Bonchic
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"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


"Khadijat" <khadi...@virginia.edu> wrote in message
news:cvu4es$qn...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...

O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all of
the
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back to the
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner. I
am not a junkfood person, I exercise, I drink a lot of water and tea. I
don't drink alcohol or coffee. I admit to eating bread (wheat and whole
grain) once in a while.
So I don't understand what is wrong. I am very much desperate and near
depress. I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and eventually
long–term way. So if you can help I will seriously love you and share my
update with you all. Thanks
Most people who want/need to lose weight are faced with the issue that it is
the food intake that's at the root of the problem. Exercise will help get
you in better shape, boost your metabolism, and burn calories, but all
studies show that dieatary change (meaning fewer calories) needs to be part
of the program. Diet plus exercise gives the best results.
The only way to create long lasting results is to make long term changes in
what you eat. A program like Weight Watches can help teach you how to craft
a balanced healthier, lower calorie diet. Also, Weight Watchers is the only
diet program that is not afraid to publish its results, so imagine how
horrible the statistics are on the other programs and plans! I know people
who have been successful on Weight Watchers although it is usually never
"easy".
It saddens me to see Kirstey Alley encouraging people who need to lost
weight to live on on frozen diet versions of fettucine alfredo, chocolate
cake, and french toast, like what she is advertising. Sure, one can eat that
stuff as long as they pay for the frozen diet versions of it, but you can't
really survive on that frozen stuff and be happy. IMO it's more beneficial
to learn to like a wider variety of vegetables and fruits, learn to eat
foods that are filling and low calorie, and develop a varied diet so that
you can improve your diet for the long term.
hth
Claire
"Ruth Berry" <ruthbe...@comcast.netremovethis>


"Khadijat" <khadi...@virginia.edu> wrote in message
news:cvu4es$qn...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU...

O.k. I need to loose some pounds.
I just started Body For LIfe. It's a way of life change that includes
working out and eating sensibly. I did do this challenge previously and
failed miserably. I modified it for my lifestyle. I'm doing the cardio and
weight training every weekday.
The difference this time is that I actually set goals for myself. I got a
book (Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle) from www.fitren.com and it really made
sense about the goal setting. Positive talk and goal setting, I'd say that
is the difference this time. This e–book also talks about having calories
too low, and the body goes into "starvation mode" and stores fat. it's a
wealth of knowledge about how the body and mind works.
I have a cute little outfit hanging in my walk–in closet that is currently
too small for me. I bought it that way. I have a date pinned to the top as
a goal date that I will wear it!
as some others have suggested, weight watchers, etc. Everyone's different
on what will work for them. Good luck to you!
––
–––––
Ruth Berry
Signature Images
http://www.berryimages.com
1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith
should not stand in the wisdom of men,
but in the power of God.
"cycjec"<cyc...@yahoo.com>


"Khadijat" <khadi...@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back to
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner.
[I think this was Claire but have lost the attributions.]
The only way to create long lasting results is to make long term changes
this is true.
A program like Weight Watches can help teach you how to craft
a balanced healthier, lower calorie diet. Also, Weight Watchers is the
only diet program that is not afraid to publish its results
support groups in "Real Life" are often the best way to go.
I have a really good book "The Right Bite: Outsmart 43 Scientifically
Proven Fat Triggers...."* by a Stephanie Dalvit–McPhillips.
Vs ppl on the WWW seem to have "borrowed" some of these, if
you search on "weight gain" or "weight loss" and "triggers"
Some on _her_ list are:
Insufficient calories (yes, it might be)
Insufficient fat (yes, this is one)
Sugar
Lack of Exercise
Fat (excess intake)
Halt the salt
Thirst
as the title says there are 43. Some are uncommon, most
ppl are really affected by a few, say 7 or so.
"Triggers fire off you appetite with a big bang, causing you
to overeat ... and cause accelerated weight gain"

(2001) ISBN 1–931412–63–4, Fair Winds Press Gloucester MA.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:45:53 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Okay, that natural peanut butter with organic strawberry preserves
sounds heavenly!...=D I have a soft spot for strawberry preserves and
peanut butter––and organic foods, as well (when I can find them to be
had at a reasonable price vs. the inorganic varieties).
i bought both at HEB [1] (one of them at Central Market [2] –
owned by HEB). the preserves is made in Canada with natural
milled sugar. i don't know what that means; i was just trying to
stay away from HFCS, or High Fructose Corn Syrup. the Central
Market organic line also carries bon bons which are made with
organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar). to be sure,
they're still fattening, but i feel better eating things that
don't contain refined sugar.
In any case, my goal is to hit the gym today!
Wish me luck...=)
Mazel Tov!
Buena Suerte!
Prost!
Good Luck!
david
[1] www.heb.com
[2] www.centralmarket.com
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:45:53 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Okay, that natural peanut butter with organic strawberry preserves
sounds heavenly!...=D I have a soft spot for strawberry preserves and
peanut butter––and organic foods, as well (when I can find them to be
had at a reasonable price vs. the inorganic varieties).
i bought both at HEB [1] (one of them at Central Market [2] –
owned by HEB). the preserves is made in Canada with natural
milled sugar. i don't know what that means; i was just trying to
stay away from HFCS, or High Fructose Corn Syrup. the Central
Market organic line also carries bon bons which are made with
organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar). to be sure,
they're still fattening, but i feel better eating things that
don't contain refined sugar.
In any case, my goal is to hit the gym today!
Wish me luck...=)
Mazel Tov!
Buena Suerte!
Prost!
Good Luck!
david
[1] www.heb.com
[2] www.centralmarket.com
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:45:53 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Okay, that natural peanut butter with organic strawberry preserves
sounds heavenly!...=D I have a soft spot for strawberry preserves and
peanut butter––and organic foods, as well (when I can find them to be
had at a reasonable price vs. the inorganic varieties).
i bought both at HEB [1] (one of them at Central Market [2] –
owned by HEB). the preserves is made in Canada with natural
milled sugar. i don't know what that means; i was just trying to
stay away from HFCS, or High Fructose Corn Syrup. the Central
Market organic line also carries bon bons which are made with
organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar). to be sure,
they're still fattening, but i feel better eating things that
don't contain refined sugar.
In any case, my goal is to hit the gym today!
Wish me luck...=)
Mazel Tov!
Buena Suerte!
Prost!
Good Luck!
david
[1] www.heb.com
[2] www.centralmarket.com
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:45:53 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Okay, that natural peanut butter with organic strawberry preserves
sounds heavenly!...=D I have a soft spot for strawberry preserves and
peanut butter––and organic foods, as well (when I can find them to be
had at a reasonable price vs. the inorganic varieties).
i bought both at HEB [1] (one of them at Central Market [2] –
owned by HEB). the preserves is made in Canada with natural
milled sugar. i don't know what that means; i was just trying to
stay away from HFCS, or High Fructose Corn Syrup. the Central
Market organic line also carries bon bons which are made with
organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar). to be sure,
they're still fattening, but i feel better eating things that
don't contain refined sugar.
In any case, my goal is to hit the gym today!
Wish me luck...=)
Mazel Tov!
Buena Suerte!
Prost!
Good Luck!
david
[1] www.heb.com
[2] www.centralmarket.com
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <cvu4es$qn...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>,
khadi...@virginia.edu says...
O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all of the
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back to the
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner. I
am not a junkfood person, I exercise, I drink a lot of water and tea. I
don't drink alcohol or coffee. I admit to eating bread (wheat and whole
grain) once in a while.
So I don't understand what is wrong. I am very much desperate and near
depress. I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and eventually
long–term way. So if you can help I will seriously love you and share my
update with you all. Thanks
Depends on how much extra fat you're carrying around. If you need to
lose more than, say 10–20 lbs, then do this:
Take your weight. Multiply it by 14. Subtract 500 from that number.
That is how many calories you should eat a day Monday through Friday.
YOu should eat every 2–3 hours. No more than 10% of your calories
should come from saturated fat. No more than 20% should come from
unsaturated fat. You should consume no trans fat. On Saturday and
Sunday eat as many calories as you've been eating plus 700. Eating more
on the weekends keeps your metabolism up. On top of this, do light
strength training three days a week (with a day of rest between each
session) and cardio training the rest of the week. Do not exercise at
all on one day a week––usually Sunday. When you get to within 10–20 lbs
of your goal body fat percentage, move on to the next part.
If you do not need to lose more than 10–20 lbs, or if you are just
wanting to look more fit:
Eat at least 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. Multiply your
weight by 16 and eat AT LEAST that many calories a day. The protein you
eat should account for 34% of your caloric intake, carbohydrates are
51%, and healthy fats are 15%. Realistically, you're doing well if you
keep the fats around 20%. Low–carb dieting is basically nonsense, so
don't be afraid of the carbs. On top of this do heavy strength training
with weights three or four days a week resting your worked muscles
between sessions. Your goal here is to build muscle––even if you're a
woman. And, no, you won't end up looking like a body builder or a man––
unless you've got hormone issues. You should gain weight during this
phase, but it will primarily be muscle. As a result, your body fat
percentage will go down––you'll look better. Muscle is more
metabolically demanding and will help raise your metabolism. It also
makes you look more toned and in shape. Once your lean mass is built up
where you want it (actually slightly above), switch to endurance weight
training, begin lowering your caloric intake (mainly lowering carbs, but
don't go low–carb/Atkins), and continue your cardio. And, yes, you do
cardio on your non–weight training days here, too. Also, eat every 2–3
hours, always––hungry or not. And take a high quality multi–vitamin.
If you're hungry, eat SOMETHING. Do not let yourself feel hungry. Just
don't stuff yourself, and try to eat healthy, filling foods. Plan meals
ahead. It isn't easy to eat well on the fly.
In a nutshell, you do the above, and you'll get in shape. It will also
last. And for those of you afraid of gaining the muscle mass, I'm
serious, don't stress it. I have a before and after picture of a person
with the same amount of body fat but with different levels of muscle
mass. The "after" shot is 20 lbs more muscle than the before. That is
the only difference. 20 lbs of fat is obvious. You're extremely hard–
pressed to see the difference in these photos between the original and
the one that has 20 lbs more muscle. Muscle is very dense. A pound of
feathers has more volume in a pile than a one pound heap of gold dust or
rocks. It is the same idea. The muscle is good for you, and you'll
look better for having it.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <1109565600.015083.319...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
lipglossjun...@gmail.com says...
I wholeheartedly suggest joining weightwatchers. It's only $12 a week,
so not expensive and it's very supportive and sensible.
They will help you find out what it is in your diet or excercise that's
holding you back.
Melanie
ps check out alt.support.diet.weightwatchers. They are a friendly and
helpful bunch.
My experience with WeightWatchers is that you lose weight, but too much
of it is weight you'd rather keep: muscle and bone.
AEM
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <1109565600.015083.319...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
lipglossjun...@gmail.com says...
My experience with WeightWatchers is that you lose weight, but too
much
of it is weight you'd rather keep: muscle and bone.
AEM
Are you serious? I think it's the opposite. If you combine a sensible
program of portion control and exercise, you lose the weight that needs
to come off.
Audrey
"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net>
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
My experience with WeightWatchers is that you lose weight, but too much
of it is weight you'd rather keep: muscle and bone.
How do you figure that? WW is a program that encourages you to lose slowly
and they most certainly recommend exercise. They also place heavy emphasis
on calcium especially for women and lactating women.
JennP.
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <1109565600.015083.319...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
lipglossjun...@gmail.com says...
My experience with WeightWatchers is that you lose weight, but too much
of it is weight you'd rather keep: muscle and bone.
AEM
You cannot lose bone through dieting. LOL
Claire
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 22:51:01 –0500, "Khadijat"
<khadi...@virginia.edu> choked out these words:
O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all of the
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back to the
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible manner. I
am not a junkfood person, I exercise, I drink a lot of water and tea. I
don't drink alcohol or coffee. I admit to eating bread (wheat and whole
grain) once in a while.
So I don't understand what is wrong. I am very much desperate and near
depress. I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and eventually
long–term way. So if you can help I will seriously love you and share my
update with you all. Thanks
try reading news:alt.support.diet. i picked up a lot of good
information in that group. and i've lost 15 lbs in the last two
months. i'm wearing waist size 36 pants again – haven't done
that in five years.
david
––
"Mr. Lancaster" as you call him is soooo full
of donkey doo that it isn't funny. Seeking
his advice is akin to saying "lie to me".
–Walter, AMOE, 01/26/2005
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
the Central Market organic line also carries bon bons which are
made with organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar).
to be sure, they're still fattening, but i feel better eating
things that don't contain refined sugar.
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
the Central Market organic line also carries bon bons which are
made with organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar).
to be sure, they're still fattening, but i feel better eating
things that don't contain refined sugar.
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
the Central Market organic line also carries bon bons which are
made with organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar).
to be sure, they're still fattening, but i feel better eating
things that don't contain refined sugar.
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
the Central Market organic line also carries bon bons which are
made with organic evaporated cane juice (no refined sugar).
to be sure, they're still fattening, but i feel better eating
things that don't contain refined sugar.
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com...

"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
How do you figure that? WW is a program that encourages you to lose slowly
and they most certainly recommend exercise. They also place heavy emphasis
on calcium especially for women and lactating women.
JennP.
I wasn't paying close enough attention at first but now that I see the
poster's screen name, I understand why such statements were made.
Claire :)
"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net>


"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net...

I wasn't paying close enough attention at first but now that I see the
poster's screen name, I understand why such statements were made.
Claire :)
Yes. And since I haven't really been around here all that much I don't
really have a pulse on who is a troll and who isn't anymore.
JennP.
juliann...@yahoo.com
Khadijat wrote:
O.k. I need to loose some pounds. By I go any further thanks for all
of the
skin advise. If you have anymore please help me out. But yea back
to the
weightloss dilemma. I cannot seem to lose weight in a sensible
manner. I
am not a junkfood person, I exercise, I drink a lot of water and tea.
I
don't drink alcohol or coffee. I admit to eating bread (wheat and
whole
grain) once in a while.
So I don't understand what is wrong. I am very much desperate and
near
depress. I am trying to lose weight in the most healthy and
eventually
long–term way. So if you can help I will seriously love you and
share my
update with you all. Thanks
The book "Fight Fat after 40" by Pamela Peeke helped me identify bad
eating patterns I had (late afternoon snacking on sweets and junk food)
and free myself from it. Because I generally eat very healthy meals, I
also would have said I wasn't a junkfood person––but I was falling
victim to the junk food in the office kitchen, the bag of M&Ms in the
grocery store line, etc. I wasn't bingeing on large quantities of junk
food, but it was enough to cause me to gradually gain weight over time.
This book explains how to snack in a way that is healthy and will
improve your energy level.
I like the magazines "Eating Well" and "Nutrition Action Newsletter."
Reading about nutrition and food a couple times per month helps keep me
motivated and in the habit of thinking about what I eat in a
constructive way.
Julianne X
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <496dnUyD––NwLd3fRVn–...@giganews.com>,
nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

Are you serious? I think it's the opposite. If you combine a sensible
program of portion control and exercise, you lose the weight that needs
to come off.
Audrey
Well, to be fair, my experience with WeightWatchers is quite dated. I
bet they've improved a great deal in the past years.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <496dnUyD––NwLd3fRVn–...@giganews.com>,
nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

Are you serious? I think it's the opposite. If you combine a sensible
program of portion control and exercise, you lose the weight that needs
to come off.
Audrey
Well, to be fair, my experience with WeightWatchers is quite dated. I
bet they've improved a great deal in the past years.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <496dnUyD––NwLd3fRVn–...@giganews.com>,
nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

Are you serious? I think it's the opposite. If you combine a sensible
program of portion control and exercise, you lose the weight that needs
to come off.
Audrey
Well, to be fair, my experience with WeightWatchers is quite dated. I
bet they've improved a great deal in the past years.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <496dnUyD––NwLd3fRVn–...@giganews.com>,
nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

Are you serious? I think it's the opposite. If you combine a sensible
program of portion control and exercise, you lose the weight that needs
to come off.
Audrey
Well, to be fair, my experience with WeightWatchers is quite dated. I
bet they've improved a great deal in the past years.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3ac5d2F677hr...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

You cannot lose bone through dieting. LOL
Claire
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3ac5d2F677hr...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

You cannot lose bone through dieting. LOL
Claire
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3ac5d2F677hr...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

You cannot lose bone through dieting. LOL
Claire
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3ac5d2F677hr...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1caa6e96d752c435989...@news.comcast.giganews.com...

You cannot lose bone through dieting. LOL
Claire
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
How do you figure that? WW is a program that encourages you to lose slowly
and they most certainly recommend exercise. They also place heavy emphasis
on calcium especially for women and lactating women.
JennP.
Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really dated––10+
years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience with WW
the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously unhealthy
and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The weight
did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone close to
the situation.
Besides, one can discover how to lose weight and get in shape without
breaking the bank on something like WW. WW honestly seems to be a
rather lazy solution that banks on people being unwilling to discover
for themselves how to take care of their bodies. It is sort of like
those lists of web sites they sell on Ebay. I can't imagine why anyone
would rather pay for that when he or she could simply run a Google
search!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
How do you figure that? WW is a program that encourages you to lose slowly
and they most certainly recommend exercise. They also place heavy emphasis
on calcium especially for women and lactating women.
JennP.
Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really dated––10+
years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience with WW
the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously unhealthy
and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The weight
did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone close to
the situation.
Besides, one can discover how to lose weight and get in shape without
breaking the bank on something like WW. WW honestly seems to be a
rather lazy solution that banks on people being unwilling to discover
for themselves how to take care of their bodies. It is sort of like
those lists of web sites they sell on Ebay. I can't imagine why anyone
would rather pay for that when he or she could simply run a Google
search!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
How do you figure that? WW is a program that encourages you to lose slowly
and they most certainly recommend exercise. They also place heavy emphasis
on calcium especially for women and lactating women.
JennP.
Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really dated––10+
years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience with WW
the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously unhealthy
and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The weight
did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone close to
the situation.
Besides, one can discover how to lose weight and get in shape without
breaking the bank on something like WW. WW honestly seems to be a
rather lazy solution that banks on people being unwilling to discover
for themselves how to take care of their bodies. It is sort of like
those lists of web sites they sell on Ebay. I can't imagine why anyone
would rather pay for that when he or she could simply run a Google
search!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
How do you figure that? WW is a program that encourages you to lose slowly
and they most certainly recommend exercise. They also place heavy emphasis
on calcium especially for women and lactating women.
JennP.
Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really dated––10+
years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience with WW
the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously unhealthy
and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The weight
did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone close to
the situation.
Besides, one can discover how to lose weight and get in shape without
breaking the bank on something like WW. WW honestly seems to be a
rather lazy solution that banks on people being unwilling to discover
for themselves how to take care of their bodies. It is sort of like
those lists of web sites they sell on Ebay. I can't imagine why anyone
would rather pay for that when he or she could simply run a Google
search!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <i–ydnbOI9chlLNzfRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...


"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net...

Yes. And since I haven't really been around here all that much I don't
really have a pulse on who is a troll and who isn't anymore.
JennP.
Apparently neither of you are overly familiar with newsgroups. I'm no
troll. If you doubt it, do a newsgroup search for my posts. The fact
is that sometimes people have differing opinions. And sometimes you're
not correct about things. Just because someone says something you don't
agree with doesn't imply that they're only trying to get a rise out of
you.
May I recommend a little less fashion sense and a little more common
sense? I mean, my God, my first post here was in regard to a funeral
and proper attire! If I'm just trolling now, then I'm a pretty sick
SOB!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <i–ydnbOI9chlLNzfRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...


"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net...

Yes. And since I haven't really been around here all that much I don't
really have a pulse on who is a troll and who isn't anymore.
JennP.
Apparently neither of you are overly familiar with newsgroups. I'm no
troll. If you doubt it, do a newsgroup search for my posts. The fact
is that sometimes people have differing opinions. And sometimes you're
not correct about things. Just because someone says something you don't
agree with doesn't imply that they're only trying to get a rise out of
you.
May I recommend a little less fashion sense and a little more common
sense? I mean, my God, my first post here was in regard to a funeral
and proper attire! If I'm just trolling now, then I'm a pretty sick
SOB!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <i–ydnbOI9chlLNzfRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...


"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net...

Yes. And since I haven't really been around here all that much I don't
really have a pulse on who is a troll and who isn't anymore.
JennP.
Apparently neither of you are overly familiar with newsgroups. I'm no
troll. If you doubt it, do a newsgroup search for my posts. The fact
is that sometimes people have differing opinions. And sometimes you're
not correct about things. Just because someone says something you don't
agree with doesn't imply that they're only trying to get a rise out of
you.
May I recommend a little less fashion sense and a little more common
sense? I mean, my God, my first post here was in regard to a funeral
and proper attire! If I'm just trolling now, then I'm a pretty sick
SOB!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <i–ydnbOI9chlLNzfRVn–...@comcast.com>,
jenniferpinck...@comcast.net says...


"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net...

Yes. And since I haven't really been around here all that much I don't
really have a pulse on who is a troll and who isn't anymore.
JennP.
Apparently neither of you are overly familiar with newsgroups. I'm no
troll. If you doubt it, do a newsgroup search for my posts. The fact
is that sometimes people have differing opinions. And sometimes you're
not correct about things. Just because someone says something you don't
agree with doesn't imply that they're only trying to get a rise out of
you.
May I recommend a little less fashion sense and a little more common
sense? I mean, my God, my first post here was in regard to a funeral
and proper attire! If I'm just trolling now, then I'm a pretty sick
SOB!
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <a4s141dp8k7sn2g40ccoac3ic17kagh...@4ax.com>,
ruzint...@ruki.com says...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:03:46 –0500, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
source? cite?
david
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself. It has also
proven very effective. I'm not interested in citing sources. This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist. If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources and I
remember it out of habit more than recalling specifically where I got
what. You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
In fact, I would like to see it if you have any and would appreciate
your taking the time to post it.
Thanks.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <a4s141dp8k7sn2g40ccoac3ic17kagh...@4ax.com>,
ruzint...@ruki.com says...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:03:46 –0500, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
source? cite?
david
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself. It has also
proven very effective. I'm not interested in citing sources. This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist. If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources and I
remember it out of habit more than recalling specifically where I got
what. You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
In fact, I would like to see it if you have any and would appreciate
your taking the time to post it.
Thanks.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com...

I wasn't paying close enough attention at first but now that I see the
poster's screen name, I understand why such statements were made.
Claire :)
That would be some of the more interesting bigotry I've ever
encountered! I hate to burst your bubble, but my screen name is
absolutely irrelevant to the comments I made. And, frankly, having so
little grounds for your implication, I rather resent that you made it!
The fact is that a family member of mine participated with WW more than
10 years ago with absolutely no positive effect. She was miserable,
looked unhealthy, and I know enough about health and fitness at the
point to realize that she was basically on a starvation diet. It seems
they had her eating only 400–500 calories a day sometimes! She had to
go for vitamin B shots and such throughout the process. She never
cheated, looked and felt like hell, and she regained all of the weight
very soon after the program ended. In fact, she gained it all and then
some. Which is typical with that sort of yo–yo diet. Now I get the
impression from what people are saying that WW has come a long way since
then. Good for them if they have. As such, I was remiss in failing to
mention how dated my comment really was, but something I imagine we have
in common is that I don't proofread my posts here with the same
diligence and consideration I would if I were submitting findings to a
professional journal.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com...

I wasn't paying close enough attention at first but now that I see the
poster's screen name, I understand why such statements were made.
Claire :)
That would be some of the more interesting bigotry I've ever
encountered! I hate to burst your bubble, but my screen name is
absolutely irrelevant to the comments I made. And, frankly, having so
little grounds for your implication, I rather resent that you made it!
The fact is that a family member of mine participated with WW more than
10 years ago with absolutely no positive effect. She was miserable,
looked unhealthy, and I know enough about health and fitness at the
point to realize that she was basically on a starvation diet. It seems
they had her eating only 400–500 calories a day sometimes! She had to
go for vitamin B shots and such throughout the process. She never
cheated, looked and felt like hell, and she regained all of the weight
very soon after the program ended. In fact, she gained it all and then
some. Which is typical with that sort of yo–yo diet. Now I get the
impression from what people are saying that WW has come a long way since
then. Good for them if they have. As such, I was remiss in failing to
mention how dated my comment really was, but something I imagine we have
in common is that I don't proofread my posts here with the same
diligence and consideration I would if I were submitting findings to a
professional journal.
AEM
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com...

I wasn't paying close enough attention at first but now that I see the
poster's screen name, I understand why such statements were made.
Claire :)
That would be some of the more interesting bigotry I've ever
encountered! I hate to burst your bubble, but my screen name is
absolutely irrelevant to the comments I made. And, frankly, having so
little grounds for your implication, I rather resent that you made it!
The fact is that a family member of mine participated with WW more than
10 years ago with absolutely no positive effect. She was miserable,
looked unhealthy, and I know enough about health and fitness at the
point to realize that she was basically on a starvation diet. It seems
they had her eating only 400–500 calories a day sometimes! She had to
go for vitamin B shots and such throughout the process. She never
cheated, looked and felt like hell, and she regained all of the weight
very soon after the program ended. In fact, she gained it all and then
some. Which is typical with that sort of yo–yo diet. Now I get the
impression from what people are saying that WW has come a long way since
then. Good for them if they have. As such, I was remiss in failing to
mention how dated my comment really was, but something I imagine we have
in common is that I don't proofread my posts here with the same
diligence and consideration I would if I were submitting findings to a
professional journal.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <3adjg7F686ih...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...


"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uL2dnVFpE–DQQ93fRVn–...@comcast.com...

I wasn't paying close enough attention at first but now that I see the
poster's screen name, I understand why such statements were made.
Claire :)
That would be some of the more interesting bigotry I've ever
encountered! I hate to burst your bubble, but my screen name is
absolutely irrelevant to the comments I made. And, frankly, having so
little grounds for your implication, I rather resent that you made it!
The fact is that a family member of mine participated with WW more than
10 years ago with absolutely no positive effect. She was miserable,
looked unhealthy, and I know enough about health and fitness at the
point to realize that she was basically on a starvation diet. It seems
they had her eating only 400–500 calories a day sometimes! She had to
go for vitamin B shots and such throughout the process. She never
cheated, looked and felt like hell, and she regained all of the weight
very soon after the program ended. In fact, she gained it all and then
some. Which is typical with that sort of yo–yo diet. Now I get the
impression from what people are saying that WW has come a long way since
then. Good for them if they have. As such, I was remiss in failing to
mention how dated my comment really was, but something I imagine we have
in common is that I don't proofread my posts here with the same
diligence and consideration I would if I were submitting findings to a
professional journal.
AEM
maud silver <maud_sil...@yahoo.com>
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:30:13 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
My word choice indeed was poor. I didn't mean to be insulting
previously. I'm just saying that I work differently––not necessarily
better.
If you really don't mean to be insulting, your word choice
was more than poor. You've been smug, patronising and
offensive, all dressed up in polite terms and buried in
extraordinary verbiage. You admit you know nothing at all
about the current system. You have a personal scar caused by
witnessing a bad experience many years ago. I suggest you
acknowledge these things, consider why the latter might be
leading you to be quite so unpleasant, and move on.
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
maud silver <maud_sil...@yahoo.com>
On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:30:13 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
My word choice indeed was poor. I didn't mean to be insulting
previously. I'm just saying that I work differently––not necessarily
better.
If you really don't mean to be insulting, your word choice
was more than poor. You've been smug, patronising and
offensive, all dressed up in polite terms and buried in
extraordinary verbiage. You admit you know nothing at all
about the current system. You have a personal scar caused by
witnessing a bad experience many years ago. I suggest you
acknowledge these things, consider why the latter might be
leading you to be quite so unpleasant, and move on.
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"maud silver" <maud_sil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:30:13 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you really don't mean to be insulting, your word choice
was more than poor. You've been smug, patronising and
offensive, all dressed up in polite terms and buried in
extraordinary verbiage. You admit you know nothing at all
about the current system. You have a personal scar caused by
witnessing a bad experience many years ago. I suggest you
acknowledge these things, consider why the latter might be
leading you to be quite so unpleasant, and move on.
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
Hi, Maud
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


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On Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:30:13 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you really don't mean to be insulting, your word choice
was more than poor. You've been smug, patronising and
offensive, all dressed up in polite terms and buried in
extraordinary verbiage. You admit you know nothing at all
about the current system. You have a personal scar caused by
witnessing a bad experience many years ago. I suggest you
acknowledge these things, consider why the latter might be
leading you to be quite so unpleasant, and move on.
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.
Hi, Maud
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <a4s141dp8k7sn2g40ccoac3ic17kagh...@4ax.com>,
ruzint...@ruki.com says...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:03:46 –0500, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
source? cite?
david
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself. It has also
proven very effective. I'm not interested in citing sources. This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist. If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources and I
remember it out of habit more than recalling specifically where I got
what. You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
In fact, I would like to see it if you have any and would appreciate
your taking the time to post it.
Thanks.
AEM
Anon E. Mouse <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com>
In article <a4s141dp8k7sn2g40ccoac3ic17kagh...@4ax.com>,
ruzint...@ruki.com says...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:03:46 –0500, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
source? cite?
david
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself. It has also
proven very effective. I'm not interested in citing sources. This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist. If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources and I
remember it out of habit more than recalling specifically where I got
what. You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
In fact, I would like to see it if you have any and would appreciate
your taking the time to post it.
Thanks.
AEM
"melizabeth" <chris1...@btinternet.com>


"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <3ac5d2F677hr...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
AEM
dieting vs. radically catabolic phase, apples and oranges.
"melizabeth" <chris1...@btinternet.com>


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In article <3ac5d2F677hr...@individual.net>, clairi...@aol.com says...
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
AEM
dieting vs. radically catabolic phase, apples and oranges.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:06:27 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:56:09 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
That's like saying "I feel good about not driving a Hummer" when you
drive a Lincoln Town Car that features pavement–smashing weight.
yeah, not quite.
but keep trying.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
david
––
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Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
Actually, I'm pretty sure if your body is in a radically catabolic phase
it will indeed digest even bone. I could be mistaken, and if you can
cite some literature to the contrary I'd be open to admitting my
mistake. But I am pretty sure I have read that it is possible and
unfortunately common.
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:10:47 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki
<ruzint...@ruki.com> choked out these words:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
oh, yeah, and i'm still waiting for you to cite your source for
how your body's metabolism works faster on weekends.
david
––
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http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:10:47 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki
<ruzint...@ruki.com> choked out these words:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
oh, yeah, and i'm still waiting for you to cite your source for
how your body's metabolism works faster on weekends.
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:10:47 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki
<ruzint...@ruki.com> choked out these words:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
oh, yeah, and i'm still waiting for you to cite your source for
how your body's metabolism works faster on weekends.
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:10:47 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki
<ruzint...@ruki.com> choked out these words:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:07:06 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
YOU are the one who should cite some sources. you've made some
wildly inaccurate claims. YOU need to back up YOUR statements.
oh, yeah, and i'm still waiting for you to cite your source for
how your body's metabolism works faster on weekends.
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:54:00 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself.
every person's body is different from another's. you've
researched it yourself. big deal. that doesn't mean that it's
going to work for others.
It has also
proven very effective.
good, glad it worked for you.
I'm not interested in citing sources.
translation: i pulled my statement out of my ass.
This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist.
translation: i don't care to back up my claim with information.
i'd rather back it up with conjecture and moondust.
If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources
if it came from "many sources," you should be able to find the
information quite easily.
You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
i should be the one to prove you wrong? no, sweetie, you need to
prove that your information is accurate. i know it's not,
however. there's no way your body can tell if it's saturday or
sunday.
ooh, maybe my body would burn calories more effectively on state
holidays, too. or is it just weekends?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
david
––
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ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:54:00 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself.
every person's body is different from another's. you've
researched it yourself. big deal. that doesn't mean that it's
going to work for others.
It has also
proven very effective.
good, glad it worked for you.
I'm not interested in citing sources.
translation: i pulled my statement out of my ass.
This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist.
translation: i don't care to back up my claim with information.
i'd rather back it up with conjecture and moondust.
If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources
if it came from "many sources," you should be able to find the
information quite easily.
You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
i should be the one to prove you wrong? no, sweetie, you need to
prove that your information is accurate. i know it's not,
however. there's no way your body can tell if it's saturday or
sunday.
ooh, maybe my body would burn calories more effectively on state
holidays, too. or is it just weekends?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:54:00 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself.
every person's body is different from another's. you've
researched it yourself. big deal. that doesn't mean that it's
going to work for others.
It has also
proven very effective.
good, glad it worked for you.
I'm not interested in citing sources.
translation: i pulled my statement out of my ass.
This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist.
translation: i don't care to back up my claim with information.
i'd rather back it up with conjecture and moondust.
If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources
if it came from "many sources," you should be able to find the
information quite easily.
You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
i should be the one to prove you wrong? no, sweetie, you need to
prove that your information is accurate. i know it's not,
however. there's no way your body can tell if it's saturday or
sunday.
ooh, maybe my body would burn calories more effectively on state
holidays, too. or is it just weekends?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
david
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 00:54:00 –0400, Anon E. Mouse
<tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> choked out these words:
I know what I know because I've researched it for myself.
every person's body is different from another's. you've
researched it yourself. big deal. that doesn't mean that it's
going to work for others.
It has also
proven very effective.
good, glad it worked for you.
I'm not interested in citing sources.
translation: i pulled my statement out of my ass.
This
isn't an academic journal and I'm not a scientist.
translation: i don't care to back up my claim with information.
i'd rather back it up with conjecture and moondust.
If I had a source
handy I'd cite it, but my information has come from many sources
if it came from "many sources," you should be able to find the
information quite easily.
You're welcome to disagree and cite information to the contrary.
i should be the one to prove you wrong? no, sweetie, you need to
prove that your information is accurate. i know it's not,
however. there's no way your body can tell if it's saturday or
sunday.
ooh, maybe my body would burn calories more effectively on state
holidays, too. or is it just weekends?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
david
––
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http://www.cafepress.com/derbarbier
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net>
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really dated––10+
years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience with WW
the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously unhealthy
and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The weight
did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone close to
the situation.
That sounds like a situation that can hardly be caused by Weight Watchers.
Besides, one can discover how to lose weight and get in shape without
breaking the bank on something like WW. WW honestly seems to be a
rather lazy solution that banks on people being unwilling to discover
for themselves how to take care of their bodies.
Uh, yeah. Ok. You really don't know much about WW. Part of the reason you
pay is for support at the meetings and information.
JennP.
"JennP" <jenniferpinck...@comcast.net>
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really dated––10+
years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience with WW
the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously unhealthy
and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The weight
did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone close to
the situation.
That sounds like a situation that can hardly be caused by Weight Watchers.
Besides, one can discover how to lose weight and get in shape without
breaking the bank on something like WW. WW honestly seems to be a
rather lazy solution that banks on people being unwilling to discover
for themselves how to take care of their bodies.
Uh, yeah. Ok. You really don't know much about WW. Part of the reason you
pay is for support at the meetings and information.
JennP.
Lil...@webtv.net (Lily)
"Anon E. Mouse" <tigernn_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
<<Well, as I mentioned in another post, my experience is really
dated––10+ years. The last time I was really up on someone's experience
with WW the person was miserable and emaciated. It was very obviously
unhealthy and amounted to little more than self–imposed starvation. The
weight did not stay off, and the process was miserable for everyone
close to the situation.>>
I've read about WW and known followers of it for at least 25 years, and
it never advised an intake of 600–800 calories a day. That IS
starvation level, and ultimately ineffective, as you will never be able
to maintain the weight you lose that way.
Lily
Lil...@webtv.net (Lily)