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Re: Moving to San Francisco
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2/24/2005 10:50:29 AM
Ruddell <ruddell'Elle–Kabo...@canada.com>
2/25/2005 10:30:47 PM
In <cvli2e$73...@netnews.upenn.edu> Melanie L Chang wrote:
park areas it goes on unless someone reports it. In the main park in
the city centre it is patrolled and tickets are handed out but most
residents realize this so keep their dogs on leash while there.
Ourselves though, we live on the edge of town and there is wide open
prairie behind us with a creek running through. So often that's where
we & many others take them and well, some days it is doggie city out
there :–)
But if you find no off–leash areas where you go, there's always the idea
of proposing it to city council and if you're lucky they will listen and
create one. I know this happened in Edmonton and they have an off leash
area which of course is very popular with dog owners...
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Cheers
Dennis
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Wicked Witch –– you rule! Thanks for all the dog info. My dogs are
all under voice control and we don't need no steekin' fences. We
just need a corner of park where we either won't be bothered, or I
can see the approaches so I can down–stay Solo if another dog comes
blundering in.
I've been reading the SFDOG list, and it seems like they're pretty
preoccupied with legal off–leash areas. They also make it sound like
there aren't very many, but I don't care if it isn't a "legal" area as
long as it isn't enforced. The park I go to isn't legal, but it's
still the de facto "dog park" and the cops will sit by and watch the
dogs play.
Our city is the same. It's not legal for them to run loose but in many all under voice control and we don't need no steekin' fences. We
just need a corner of park where we either won't be bothered, or I
can see the approaches so I can down–stay Solo if another dog comes
blundering in.
I've been reading the SFDOG list, and it seems like they're pretty
preoccupied with legal off–leash areas. They also make it sound like
there aren't very many, but I don't care if it isn't a "legal" area as
long as it isn't enforced. The park I go to isn't legal, but it's
still the de facto "dog park" and the cops will sit by and watch the
dogs play.
park areas it goes on unless someone reports it. In the main park in
the city centre it is patrolled and tickets are handed out but most
residents realize this so keep their dogs on leash while there.
Ourselves though, we live on the edge of town and there is wide open
prairie behind us with a creek running through. So often that's where
we & many others take them and well, some days it is doggie city out
there :–)
But if you find no off–leash areas where you go, there's always the idea
of proposing it to city council and if you're lucky they will listen and
create one. I know this happened in Edmonton and they have an off leash
area which of course is very popular with dog owners...
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Cheers
Dennis
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"the Wicked Witch" <Wic...@gmail.com>
2/24/2005 11:50:29 AM
Melanie L Chang wrote:
year or so in SF. There are warmer areas and cooler areas, and warmer
parts of the day and cooler parts of the day, but if you get cold
easily, you'll find lots of opportunities to get cold. Keep a warm
layer with you at all times! I'd never describe the weather here as
"clammy" tho it can get a little damp especially if you are out near
the water. It's definitely not arid.
Street which is occasionally kinda sketchy (other times it's just
fine... like most of the Haight). It's pretty wooded, so you get plenty
of shade, and it can be really windy and foggy and chilly there! If you
take the rather steep walk all the way to the top, the view is
incredible. I just love Cole Valley, but I do think it's on the foggier
side – not the foggiest area but the weather is one of the things I
like about it – and I like chilly fog! IMHO the sunniest areas are all
east of Buena Vista. The Mission, parts of SoMa, and Potrero Hill are
all much sunnier than most of the City.
SF is a pretty dog friendly city. In fact, I recently heard that SF has
more dogs than children! You will probably never take your dogs out for
a walk and not encounter another dog along the way. There are a LOT of
dogs in this neighborhood. I'm not far from UCSF, I can walk to the
N–Judah stop at Church and Duboce – an area which, by the way, you
might like as it's sunnier than Cole Valley as long as you aren't up
the hill (but less sunny than the Mission), very close to UCSF, and
Duboce Park is right there as well, and is extremely dog friendly and
might be a good spot to play fetch with your dogs assuming they are
good off leash since there's no fence.
any athletic fields in SF. If your dogs are okay off leash and won't
run away, your best bet is probably a quiet interior area of GG park
that isn't crowded – on weekdays in particular, there's a lot of
uncrowded space in GG park. There is one fenced dog park area there and
a few other designated off–leash areas that are not fenced. But leash
law enforcement is pretty soft, and if you were there with dogs that
are under your voice control, not bothering anyone else, there is
little chance of you being cited (of course, you never know). Fort
Funston, on the south and west edge of the City, is a popular place to
walk dogs – it's a gorgeous beach–cliff setting, with plenty of walking
paths. It's not off leash technically, but lots of people let their
dogs run there and I've never seen anyone get cited.
I have a 4 yo Siberian Husky that we adopted last summer who is not at
all reliable off leash (he will just bolt, and he doesn't care about
crossing streets with traffic or anything to get to whatever
fascinating thing he's after), so we make use of the fenced dog parks
nearby (Coronoa Heights or when we have access to the car, GG Park) for
him, or walk him on–leash.
Also, Corona Heights might be an option if you go when it isn't crowded
(usually 3pm on, IME). It can get windy and cold, but on a nice day
it's glorious, and the views are terrific. There's a fenced dog run
area as well as an unfenced play area, and some nice trails. I like to
take my boy over there around midday when I can, while the professional
dog walkers are there with big groups of dogs, cause he's very social
and loves meeting everyone. He thinks he's at a big doggie cocktail
party!
If you wind up in the Mission, Dolores Park is pretty popular. The
upper end of it is nicer than the lower end and the side closer to
Church Street is also nicer than the other side, IMHO. I don't really
like it over there because the Mission is too warm and sunny for me,
but lots of people do like it, and you have excellent restaurants,
services, and transportation options in that part of town.
over $100. Some of my neighbors rent out their spaces if they don't
have cars but I have no clue what they charge. But outside of downtown
in a residential 'hood, $25 a month doesn't seem crazy. Also, I don't
know if your current city has this (it was new to me when I got to SF):
be aware that if you move into a building with parking and it's
"tandem" parking, that means one of you parks behind the other. And you
can imagine the hassle that could result if you had pulled in first,
but now you need to get your car out, and your garage–mate isn't around
to move their car. Or, having to move your car at some inconvenient
time because THEY need to get out. A single household sharing a tandem
garage isn't a big deal but I don't know how people in a shared
building manage!
you will enjoy it here. Let me know if I can give you any more info on
doggie–amenities or anything else (and feel free to email). Congrats on
your upcoming move!
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tWW
I can live without direct sun (after all, it sounds like walking a
few
blocks in any given direction will give me that) but if it's cold and
clammy that'll be bad... I get cold easily.
I'd say you might expect to be very, very cold throughout your first year or so in SF. There are warmer areas and cooler areas, and warmer
parts of the day and cooler parts of the day, but if you get cold
easily, you'll find lots of opportunities to get cold. Keep a warm
layer with you at all times! I'd never describe the weather here as
"clammy" tho it can get a little damp especially if you are out near
the water. It's definitely not arid.
Well, here's my thinking. Cole Valley is within a few blocks'
distance
Golden Gate Park, some green stuff near UCSF campus (my map says
"interior
green belt")and Buena Vista park.
BV is a pretty nice park, except for a small section the fronts Haight Street which is occasionally kinda sketchy (other times it's just
fine... like most of the Haight). It's pretty wooded, so you get plenty
of shade, and it can be really windy and foggy and chilly there! If you
take the rather steep walk all the way to the top, the view is
incredible. I just love Cole Valley, but I do think it's on the foggier
side – not the foggiest area but the weather is one of the things I
like about it – and I like chilly fog! IMHO the sunniest areas are all
east of Buena Vista. The Mission, parts of SoMa, and Potrero Hill are
all much sunnier than most of the City.
SF is a pretty dog friendly city. In fact, I recently heard that SF has
more dogs than children! You will probably never take your dogs out for
a walk and not encounter another dog along the way. There are a LOT of
dogs in this neighborhood. I'm not far from UCSF, I can walk to the
N–Judah stop at Church and Duboce – an area which, by the way, you
might like as it's sunnier than Cole Valley as long as you aren't up
the hill (but less sunny than the Mission), very close to UCSF, and
Duboce Park is right there as well, and is extremely dog friendly and
might be a good spot to play fetch with your dogs assuming they are
good off leash since there's no fence.
my map) that I think might be the green strip you're talking about. I
don't need a formal dog run –– I actually don't use them, since Solo
(mydon't need a formal dog run –– I actually don't use them, since Solo
male Border Collie) doesn't like to play with dogs he doesn't already
know. What I do here in Philly is go to the local soccer field and
use it know. What I do here in Philly is go to the local soccer field and
when no one else is. So, I just need enough green space to be able
to
throw a ball about 50 yards, where there won't be a zillion
retrievers
trying to steal it and starting fights with Solo.
While I don't know how stricly it's enforced, dogs are not allowed on any athletic fields in SF. If your dogs are okay off leash and won't
run away, your best bet is probably a quiet interior area of GG park
that isn't crowded – on weekdays in particular, there's a lot of
uncrowded space in GG park. There is one fenced dog park area there and
a few other designated off–leash areas that are not fenced. But leash
law enforcement is pretty soft, and if you were there with dogs that
are under your voice control, not bothering anyone else, there is
little chance of you being cited (of course, you never know). Fort
Funston, on the south and west edge of the City, is a popular place to
walk dogs – it's a gorgeous beach–cliff setting, with plenty of walking
paths. It's not off leash technically, but lots of people let their
dogs run there and I've never seen anyone get cited.
I have a 4 yo Siberian Husky that we adopted last summer who is not at
all reliable off leash (he will just bolt, and he doesn't care about
crossing streets with traffic or anything to get to whatever
fascinating thing he's after), so we make use of the fenced dog parks
nearby (Coronoa Heights or when we have access to the car, GG Park) for
him, or walk him on–leash.
Also, Corona Heights might be an option if you go when it isn't crowded
(usually 3pm on, IME). It can get windy and cold, but on a nice day
it's glorious, and the views are terrific. There's a fenced dog run
area as well as an unfenced play area, and some nice trails. I like to
take my boy over there around midday when I can, while the professional
dog walkers are there with big groups of dogs, cause he's very social
and loves meeting everyone. He thinks he's at a big doggie cocktail
party!
If you wind up in the Mission, Dolores Park is pretty popular. The
upper end of it is nicer than the lower end and the side closer to
Church Street is also nicer than the other side, IMHO. I don't really
like it over there because the Mission is too warm and sunny for me,
but lots of people do like it, and you have excellent restaurants,
services, and transportation options in that part of town.
I saw some spaces for rent on
Craigslist that were around $25 a month but that sounds ridiculously
cheap. Around here it's $125 minimum.
In any kind of commercial garage in/near downtown you'd probably pay Craigslist that were around $25 a month but that sounds ridiculously
cheap. Around here it's $125 minimum.
over $100. Some of my neighbors rent out their spaces if they don't
have cars but I have no clue what they charge. But outside of downtown
in a residential 'hood, $25 a month doesn't seem crazy. Also, I don't
know if your current city has this (it was new to me when I got to SF):
be aware that if you move into a building with parking and it's
"tandem" parking, that means one of you parks behind the other. And you
can imagine the hassle that could result if you had pulled in first,
but now you need to get your car out, and your garage–mate isn't around
to move their car. Or, having to move your car at some inconvenient
time because THEY need to get out. A single household sharing a tandem
garage isn't a big deal but I don't know how people in a shared
building manage!
Hey, I'm just an East Coast gal moving to Cali for the
first time.
That's all I was 8 years ago, too! :) This is a great place and I think first time.
you will enjoy it here. Let me know if I can give you any more info on
doggie–amenities or anything else (and feel free to email). Congrats on
your upcoming move!
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tWW
mlch...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu (Melanie L Chang)
2/24/2005 9:47:58 PM
Wicked Witch –– you rule! Thanks for all the dog info. My dogs are all
under voice control and we don't need no steekin' fences. We just need a
corner of park where we either won't be bothered, or I can see the
approaches so I can down–stay Solo if another dog comes blundering in.
I've been reading the SFDOG list, and it seems like they're pretty
preoccupied with legal off–leash areas. They also make it sound like
there aren't very many, but I don't care if it isn't a "legal" area as
long as it isn't enforced. The park I go to isn't legal, but it's still
the de facto "dog park" and the cops will sit by and watch the dogs play.
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Melanie Lee Chang | Form ever follows function.
Departments of Anthropology and Biology |
University of Pennsylvania | –– Louis Sullivan
mlch...@sas.upenn.edu |
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under voice control and we don't need no steekin' fences. We just need a
corner of park where we either won't be bothered, or I can see the
approaches so I can down–stay Solo if another dog comes blundering in.
I've been reading the SFDOG list, and it seems like they're pretty
preoccupied with legal off–leash areas. They also make it sound like
there aren't very many, but I don't care if it isn't a "legal" area as
long as it isn't enforced. The park I go to isn't legal, but it's still
the de facto "dog park" and the cops will sit by and watch the dogs play.
––
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
Melanie Lee Chang | Form ever follows function.
Departments of Anthropology and Biology |
University of Pennsylvania | –– Louis Sullivan
mlch...@sas.upenn.edu |
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––