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OT: had to give up my kitty

Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/23/2005 9:21:50 PM
some of you may remember when i posted here about six months ago
about my kitty Bagheera. he had blockage in his urethra and
couldn't go to the bathroom. last night, i noticed that he was
squatting, but nothing was coming out. today, i watched him
squat for 10 minutes with no output. so i took him to the vet.
they recommended surgery. they started the surgery while i was
there. basically, they did a penectomy – turned my boy into a
girl. the estimate was $821 – it was $688 the first time; they
catheterized him the first time for five days. now the problem
has returned, but with surgery, he'll have a bigger opening, and
won't have the blockage problem, but will have more problems with
bladder infections. the vet said maybe one or two per year, at a
cost of $60 or $70 per occurance. when i asked how much to
euthanize him (not that i actually wanted to do that, but that
the cost was so prohibitive), they said if i transferred
ownership, they'd see to it that his med bills were paid, and
they'd find him a good home. i asked for a few minutes, and
called my mom and cried to her on the phone. she's raising my
neice because my sister did drugs and alcohol while she was
pregnant – my mom has legal custody thru CPS. my mom said that
with the child (just turned a year old), it's difficult for them
financially, too, and if something happened to one of their pets,
they didn't know if they'd be able to afford it, either. so i
transferred owner of my kitty. true, i have three others, but
Bagheera was my favourite. he cuddled with me at night; he let
me rub his belly. and now he's gone, and i'm sad.
one of the techs said (quite off the record) that if i kept in
contact with them and they weren't able to find a home for him,
they could possibly sneak him out the back door for me (i
supplied the words – they didn't actually say that). which would
be nice, but i know it would be dishonest. so for now, i'm
without Bagheera and i hate it! my mom says that i'll get thru
it, and i imagine i will, but it sure sucks in the interim.
anyway, that's where i am today. hope y'all are all well.
david
"Nancy" <vealw...@shaw.ca>
2/23/2005 10:55:09 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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some of you may remember when i posted here about six months ago
about my kitty Bagheera. he had blockage in his urethra and
couldn't go to the bathroom. last night, i noticed that he was
squatting, but nothing was coming out. today, i watched him
squat for 10 minutes with no output. so i took him to the vet.
they recommended surgery. they started the surgery while i was
there. basically, they did a penectomy – turned my boy into a
girl. the estimate was $821 – it was $688 the first time; they
catheterized him the first time for five days. now the problem
has returned, but with surgery, he'll have a bigger opening, and
won't have the blockage problem, but will have more problems with
bladder infections. the vet said maybe one or two per year, at a
cost of $60 or $70 per occurance. when i asked how much to
euthanize him (not that i actually wanted to do that, but that
the cost was so prohibitive), they said if i transferred
ownership, they'd see to it that his med bills were paid, and
they'd find him a good home. i asked for a few minutes, and
called my mom and cried to her on the phone. she's raising my
neice because my sister did drugs and alcohol while she was
pregnant – my mom has legal custody thru CPS. my mom said that
with the child (just turned a year old), it's difficult for them
financially, too, and if something happened to one of their pets,
they didn't know if they'd be able to afford it, either. so i
transferred owner of my kitty. true, i have three others, but
Bagheera was my favourite. he cuddled with me at night; he let
me rub his belly. and now he's gone, and i'm sad.
one of the techs said (quite off the record) that if i kept in
contact with them and they weren't able to find a home for him,
they could possibly sneak him out the back door for me (i
supplied the words – they didn't actually say that). which would
be nice, but i know it would be dishonest. so for now, i'm
without Bagheera and i hate it! my mom says that i'll get thru
it, and i imagine i will, but it sure sucks in the interim.
anyway, that's where i am today. hope y'all are all well.
david
{{{David}}}
Sorry to hear this.
Nancy, in northern Ontario
"Jamie" <zuschlag–sequ...@tds.net>
2/23/2005 6:44:28 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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.. so for now, i'm
without Bagheera and i hate it! my mom says that i'll get thru
it, and i imagine i will, but it sure sucks in the interim.
anyway, that's where i am today. hope y'all are all well.
david
So, I'll just say it David (as we say it in my house). This sucks the big
weenie!! I am owner of and owned by 3 old lady cats (all within 6 months of
17 years) and I can't imagine them passing. Yeah, you'll get through it but
it's pure and utter crap! I'm so sorry for this situation and for you (and
for Bagheera).
I say, change your mind while you can and live lovingly with the big man.
Obviously you guys were well matched. David, isn't your vet willing to put
you on some sort of payment plan in case he has an occurrence? I've found
that vets are almost always more than willing to do whatever it takes to
keep pets with responsible owners. Ask; it can't hurt. Keep in mind that
there's also a chance that he'll have no bladder infections. What are the
chances that he'll be relatively problem free after this? They have to
advise you of all the worst things that could happen.
Please don't think I'm chiding you for your decision. I'm not. I know what
agony goes into these decisions and I will not pretend that I would have
done any differently.
Sorry for your heart right now.
Jamie
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 3:51:33 AM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:11 –0800, "A Spanglie Home Companion"
<spangle_...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
Where did you come up with that name for your cat? I like it so much. It
almost sounds East Indian or possibly Moroccan something.
i took him on from a friend who was moving to Seattle. she named
him Bagheera after the panther in "The Jungle Book."
when she owned him, i suggested she take him to a vet to get him
his shots and get him neutered. her response was that she
thought it was cruel to get him neutered. her boyfriend wouldn't
allow the cat to have catnip toys because he believed catnip to
be like crack for kitties and he didn't want the cat getting
addicted. so the toys that i bought for him while she still
owned him got thrown in the trash. she said that some neighbours
of hers were going to "look after" him after she moved, but i
didn't think that sounded like a good idea. can you imagine what
might have happened to him if this situation had arisen (is that
a word?) while they were "looking after" him?
i'm hoping to have him back in a week or so. in the interim,
he's staying in the vet office and is hooked up to an IV. i
think it's really the best place for him ATM, what with the
traumatic surgery and all. i can't imagine having my penis
removed. but they say it's better for the cat, despite the fact
that he'll be more prone to bladder infections.
david
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 8:36:18 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:11 –0800, "A Spanglie Home Companion"
<spangle_...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
i took him on from a friend who was moving to Seattle. she named
him Bagheera after the panther in "The Jungle Book."
when she owned him, i suggested she take him to a vet to get him
his shots and get him neutered. her response was that she
thought it was cruel to get him neutered. her boyfriend wouldn't
allow the cat to have catnip toys because he believed catnip to
be like crack for kitties and he didn't want the cat getting
addicted. so the toys that i bought for him while she still
owned him got thrown in the trash. she said that some neighbours
of hers were going to "look after" him after she moved, but i
didn't think that sounded like a good idea. can you imagine what
might have happened to him if this situation had arisen (is that
a word?) while they were "looking after" him?
i'm hoping to have him back in a week or so. in the interim,
he's staying in the vet office and is hooked up to an IV. i
think it's really the best place for him ATM, what with the
traumatic surgery and all. i can't imagine having my penis
removed. but they say it's better for the cat, despite the fact
that he'll be more prone to bladder infections.
david
Yeah, I agree about the "look after him" types of people. They just don't
care or have an intrinsic gene within them internally to care for/nurture an
animal. That's how my friend's dog got severely abused. The previous owners
were "look after him" idiots who wound up kicking and beating him. My
friend's sister was their neighbor and heard all of the noise.
She asked if she could have the dog and then gave it to my friend w/out ever
telling them. Not too long after that, they were evicted from the apartment
complex because they were so noisy and were beating up THREE dogs inside one
apartment unit where pets were not even allowed!!!!
That's really quite medically astounding about the operation, David. Very
modern sounding and exciting to hear about this IMO, truthfully. I didn't
know you could change the sex of a cat if it absolutely had to happen for
medical reasons. Even just hearing about kitty Pancreatic Cancer and kitty
Diabetes from various friends, relatives and co–workers, (and my next door
neighbor & his wife who is a Kitty Vet) amazes me, seeing as how they are so
much smaller than humans, yet still such complex creatures!
Pardon me for asking such a seemingly ignorant question (but you gotta'
remember I'm allergic to cats and I have been since I was seven years old,
so I don't know diddly about them) but do they have to take drugs once the
"sex change" occurs to help them get used to it or to help them with
depression once they are remarkably altered in such a different type of way?
If so, are the kitty drugs outrageously expensive, too?
I tell you, there are days when I'd give anything just for 24 hours to live
certain Hellish catastrophes in my life as a male instead of a female, so
your kitty situation is kind of interesting to me in *THAT* particular
aspect. Not that I'd want to *EVER* have it done permanently, but you'd damn
well better believe if I get horrific cramps or am in line at a concert
getting my a** visually "eyeball stripped" straight down to the J&J powder
by the fifth concert going drooling little 55 year old pervert in a row, I'd
love to switch sides for awhile.
There are some days when being a woman is just absolutely the bollocks and
all you want to do is kill somebody. Today was one of those days.
I'm dressed in freakin' heels and a business suit and some guy hits on me in
line (*physically* and not just verbally...it took severe patience not to
clock the little asswipe) at the grocery WHILE his girlfriend is hanging her
entire rack of cleavage over the counter pointing out to some young,
straight out of high school nerdy cashier boy what cigarettes she wants. She
never saw a thing. It was as if he never even tried a thing behind her back.
At that VERY MOMENT I wanted to scream "Price Check on Aisle Five!!! I want
to buy a _ _ _is and be a man this freakin' INSTANT!!! Death to all
perverts!!!! Especially the ones who look like gangsters and drug lords,
regardless of their race. I want to be a man. I'm sick of this Inner City
Bullshit!!!! In my next life can I just please be born without an ass so
nobody who's a stranger in this large, totally effed up city of mine can
whistle at it or get all creepy and touch it?"
:–) :–) :–D
JN
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
3/6/2005 3:43:58 AM
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 03:11:04 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:15:37 GMT, Charlie Perrin
choked out these words:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:56:12 –0800, A Spanglie Home Companion wrote:
it's time to buy a Sony Playstation instead and keep the internet OFF
already.
I think she'd benefit more from a Hitachi Magic Wand.
ok, NOW i get this.
Now that you get it, are you going to get it? <grin/duck>
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/24/2005 2:02:02 AM
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:44:28 –0500, "Jamie"
<zuschlag–sequ...@tds.net> choked out these words:
I say, change your mind while you can and live lovingly with the big man.
Obviously you guys were well matched. David, isn't your vet willing to put
you on some sort of payment plan in case he has an occurrence?
they do have a payment plan. they want something like 2/3 down,
and it has to be paid within 60 days. so i'd have to put down
something like $546 now, and then the remaining balance within
sixty days. i just don't have that kind of cash available.
david
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 4:42:24 AM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:36:18 –0800, "A Spanglie Home Companion"
<spangle_...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
Pardon me for asking such a seemingly ignorant question (but you gotta'
remember I'm allergic to cats and I have been since I was seven years old,
so I don't know diddly about them) but do they have to take drugs once the
"sex change" occurs to help them get used to it or to help them with
depression once they are remarkably altered in such a different type of way?
i don't believe this is the case. the surgery was done so he'd
have a larger opening to relieve himself. a cat's genitalia
isn't that big to begin with; you can imagine how small the
urethra must be.
david
––
"Mr. Lancaster" as you call him is soooo full
of donkey doo that it isn't funny. Seeking
his advice is akin to saying "lie to me".
–Walter, AMOE, 01/26/2005
"Nanm" <nanmor...@hotmail.com>
2/24/2005 11:28:07 AM
Oh, I'm so sad to hear this, but of course, in the end you are doing
the right thing, to let him have a chance if there is someone who is in
the bucks, and can take care of the bills.
CarolC...@aol.com
2/24/2005 7:13:03 PM
Good for you, glad it is all working out and you can bring your much
loved pet home!
Carol
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
2/24/2005 7:32:00 PM
David
It was good that you asked for advice and realized there were options
for you and your cat.
Audrey
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
2/23/2005 5:15:30 PM


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{{{David}}}
Sorry to hear this.
Nancy, in northern Ontario
David
I hope you can get him back.
Audrey
"Orora" <ororamapsREMOV...@hotmail.com>
2/23/2005 7:50:37 PM


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. so for now, i'm
I say, change your mind while you can and live lovingly with the big man.
Obviously you guys were well matched. David, isn't your vet willing to
put
you on some sort of payment plan in case he has an occurrence? I've found
that vets are almost always more than willing to do whatever it takes to
keep pets with responsible owners. Ask; it can't hurt. Keep in mind that
there's also a chance that he'll have no bladder infections. What are the
chances that he'll be relatively problem free after this? They have to
advise you of all the worst things that could happen.
Jamie
I agree with Jamie on all counts. This sucks big time.
Check with the vet to see about payment plans. And if this vet won't do it,
find one who will. Then again, Bagheera could have no infections at all.
With a good diet and possibly some supplements or herbs, you could keep him
free of infections. Find a cat health newsgroup like rec.pets.cats.health or
a discussion board and see if you can get some ideas.
I feel your pain. If I had to give up one of my shelter–got kitties, I'd be
inconsolate. Whatever happens, you're in my thoughts.
O.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
3/6/2005 3:57:12 AM
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 03:43:58 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 03:11:04 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:56:12 –0800, A Spanglie Home Companion wrote:
it's time to buy a Sony Playstation instead and keep the internet OFF
already.
I think she'd benefit more from a Hitachi Magic Wand.
Now that you get it, are you going to get it? <grin/duck>
no. i have more than enough um, well, nevermind.
david
"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net>
2/24/2005 2:12:33 AM
[Top–posting intentionally]
David, I'm sorry about this, but I think a.f. is the wrong place
to write about this kind of problem. For those of us who have
or would have moved heaven and earth for animals we loved, it's
heartbreaking. For others it might seem like flamebait. I found
great help with a cat problem on one of the rec. pets. cats group
and I'm sure they'd be happy to help you.
Wishing you and the cat the best,
AJ


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:44:28 –0500, "Jamie"
<zuschlag–sequ...@tds.net> choked out these words:
they do have a payment plan. they want something like 2/3 down,
and it has to be paid within 60 days. so i'd have to put down
something like $546 now, and then the remaining balance within
sixty days. i just don't have that kind of cash available.
david
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
2/24/2005 2:43:50 AM
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:21:50 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
some of you may remember when i posted here about six months ago
about my kitty Bagheera.
when i asked how much to euthanize him (not that i actually
wanted to do that, but that the cost was so prohibitive), they
said if i transferred ownership, they'd see to it that his med
bills were paid, and they'd find him a good home.
Undoubtedly hard to do, but at least Bagheera should end out with a
good home and you won't end out in the poorhouse.
"Susan in LA" <susan...@hotmail.com>
2/24/2005 2:57:50 AM
David,
I'm so sorry you're facing such a heart–breaking choice. I had my beloved
15–year–old dog euthanized a few weeks ago after a sudden and quick decline
and it was/is agony. Even though she was clearly terminal and in increasing
distress and in danger of suffocating at any time, I still agonize over
whether I should have tried to keep her alive longer. That said, I think I
would be almost equally in agony handing a pet over to a stranger, even for
a good reason. My gut instinct is that you owe it to yourself and him to try
to scrape up the money (or find a vet with creative financing) for the
procedure at least *once* so you will feel you did as much as you could.
I know this is easier said than done. Finances are a very real and
legitimate factor of pet health and I am not trying to send you on a guilt
trip. But I am just raw with pet–loss right now and wouldn't want you to be
feeling guilty and questioning yourself later like I am.......it is
thoroughly hellish no matter how much effort/thought/cash you put into it,
so just make certain you are putting in all of these you *reasonably* can
now before it's too late.
With great empathy,
Susan


"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net> wrote in message
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[Top–posting intentionally]
David, I'm sorry about this, but I think a.f. is the wrong place
to write about this kind of problem. For those of us who have
or would have moved heaven and earth for animals we loved, it's
heartbreaking. For others it might seem like flamebait. I found
great help with a cat problem on one of the rec. pets. cats group
and I'm sure they'd be happy to help you.
Wishing you and the cat the best,
AJ


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"doomella" <doome...@hotmail.com>
2/24/2005 3:58:06 AM


"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net> wrote in message
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[Top–posting intentionally]
David, I'm sorry about this, but I think a.f. is the wrong place
to write about this kind of problem. For those of us who have
or would have moved heaven and earth for animals we loved, it's
heartbreaking. For others it might seem like flamebait. I found
great help with a cat problem on one of the rec. pets. cats group
and I'm sure they'd be happy to help you.
I think I get what you're saying, though if I (a relative stranger here) may
interject, that's what the "OT" was for –– the subject line was pretty clear
about the content for those who'd prefer not to learn more. Sometimes a
regular in a group takes more comfort in advice/kind words/etc from those
he's familiar with and with whom he has some kind of relationship and stuff
in common than from people from a brand new group, even if said group might
be more on–topic for the issue at hand. I'm the happy (if often exasperated)
owner of 3 cats myself, and when I'm not busy combing, scooping, or cleaning
up regurgitated Eukanuba I've also browsed rec.pets.cats and even
occasionally posted. They're a nice and caring bunch, but I've seen them
become quite militant and dogmatic (ha! catmatic!) about certain issues when
new people wander in there and post questions.
catmom <princess.san...@gmail.com>
2/24/2005 8:52:19 AM
I am so sorry to hear about this David. I hope you are able to work
*something* out.
I can only imagine how hard this is for you
Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
.. so i
transferred owner of my kitty. true, i have three others, but
Bagheera was my favourite. he cuddled with me at night; he let
me rub his belly. and now he's gone, and i'm sad.
one of the techs said (quite off the record) that if i kept in
contact with them and they weren't able to find a home for him,
they could possibly sneak him out the back door for me (i
supplied the words – they didn't actually say that). which would
be nice, but i know it would be dishonest. so for now, i'm
without Bagheera and i hate it! my mom says that i'll get thru
it, and i imagine i will, but it sure sucks in the interim.
anyway, that's where i am today. hope y'all are all well.
david
––
Sandra
Owned by 3 cats.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/25/2005 1:29:21 AM
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 02:57:50 GMT, "Susan in LA"
<susan...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
I know this is easier said than done. Finances are a very real and
legitimate factor of pet health and I am not trying to send you on a guilt
trip. But I am just raw with pet–loss right now and wouldn't want you to be
feeling guilty and questioning yourself later like I am.......it is
thoroughly hellish no matter how much effort/thought/cash you put into it,
so just make certain you are putting in all of these you *reasonably* can
now before it's too late.
thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions.
this morning i awoke thinking that there might be a way – what if
i paid them $100 a week until the bill was paid? i went to the
vet's office and it turns out that they only want 1/2 down. the
total bill is $747, and they knocked off $200 or $300 of the bill
for the hospital stay. i paid $200 down today, and as soon as i
give them another $173, i get my cat back. then the other half
of the bill has to be paid within 60 days. i think it was AJ who
spurred me on the most – with the comment about moving heaven and
earth. so thank you, AJ.
this is all going to work out, and i get my little boy back! :)
david
"Jamie" <zuschlag–sequ...@tds.net>
2/24/2005 9:18:43 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 02:57:50 GMT, "Susan in LA"
<susan...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
thanks to everyone for the comments and suggestions.
this morning i awoke thinking that there might be a way – what if
i paid them $100 a week until the bill was paid? i went to the
vet's office and it turns out that they only want 1/2 down. the
total bill is $747, and they knocked off $200 or $300 of the bill
for the hospital stay. i paid $200 down today, and as soon as i
give them another $173, i get my cat back. then the other half
of the bill has to be paid within 60 days. i think it was AJ who
spurred me on the most – with the comment about moving heaven and
earth. so thank you, AJ.
this is all going to work out, and i get my little boy back! :)
david
wOO–hOO!!! David, that's wonderful!!!!
Jamie
"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net>
2/24/2005 4:17:16 AM


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"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net> wrote in message
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I think I get what you're saying, though if I (a relative stranger here)
may
interject, that's what the "OT" was for –– the subject line was pretty
clear
about the content for those who'd prefer not to learn more. Sometimes a
regular in a group takes more comfort in advice/kind words/etc from those
he's familiar with and with whom he has some kind of relationship and
stuff
in common than from people from a brand new group, even if said group
might
be more on–topic for the issue at hand. I'm the happy (if often
exasperated)
owner of 3 cats myself, and when I'm not busy combing, scooping, or
cleaning
up regurgitated Eukanuba I've also browsed rec.pets.cats and even
occasionally posted. They're a nice and caring bunch, but I've seen them
become quite militant and dogmatic (ha! catmatic!) about certain issues
when
new people wander in there and post questions.
I'm sorry that David is facing this situation and I'm sorry if he
doesn't have people to talk to about it, but it is inappropriate
for this forum and, in the past, he has posted things about his cats,
which were very disturbing.
My heart goes out to him and the cat. I just don't want to
1) read about it on alt.fashion, labeled OT or not, or 2) know
about it at all.
––AJ
"Jamie" <zuschlag–sequ...@tds.net>
2/24/2005 9:19:51 AM


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I think I get what you're saying, though if I (a relative stranger here)
may
interject, that's what the "OT" was for –– the subject line was pretty
clear
about the content for those who'd prefer not to learn more. Sometimes a
regular in a group takes more comfort in advice/kind words/etc from those
he's familiar with and with whom he has some kind of relationship and
stuff
in common than from people from a brand new group, even if said group
might
be more on–topic for the issue at hand. I'm the happy (if often
exasperated)
owner of 3 cats myself, and when I'm not busy combing, scooping, or
cleaning
up regurgitated Eukanuba I've also browsed rec.pets.cats and even
occasionally posted. They're a nice and caring bunch, but I've seen them
become quite militant and dogmatic (ha! catmatic!) about certain issues
when
new people wander in there and post questions.
David,
I've tried to e–mail you at your ruki address and had no luck. Can you tell
me how? zuschlag(–sequo...@tds.net Remove (–––)
Jamie
kaype...@yahoo.com
2/24/2005 6:43:20 AM
Top–post on purpose:
I'm so sorry, David. I know you did the best you could and you
made the right decision for you kitty. I know as my kitty
approaches the 15–year–old mark, I know that we, too, may have
to make some difficult decisions for her. My heart goes out
to you. kpr54
Ruzinthra the Ruki wrote:
some of you may remember when i posted here about six months ago
about my kitty Bagheera. he had blockage in his urethra and
couldn't go to the bathroom. last night, i noticed that he was
squatting, but nothing was coming out. today, i watched him
squat for 10 minutes with no output. so i took him to the vet.
they recommended surgery. they started the surgery while i was
there. basically, they did a penectomy – turned my boy into a
girl. the estimate was $821 – it was $688 the first time; they
catheterized him the first time for five days. now the problem
has returned, but with surgery, he'll have a bigger opening, and
won't have the blockage problem, but will have more problems with
bladder infections. the vet said maybe one or two per year, at a
cost of $60 or $70 per occurance. when i asked how much to
euthanize him (not that i actually wanted to do that, but that
the cost was so prohibitive), they said if i transferred
ownership, they'd see to it that his med bills were paid, and
they'd find him a good home. i asked for a few minutes, and
called my mom and cried to her on the phone. she's raising my
neice because my sister did drugs and alcohol while she was
pregnant – my mom has legal custody thru CPS. my mom said that
with the child (just turned a year old), it's difficult for them
financially, too, and if something happened to one of their pets,
they didn't know if they'd be able to afford it, either. so i
transferred owner of my kitty. true, i have three others, but
Bagheera was my favourite. he cuddled with me at night; he let
me rub his belly. and now he's gone, and i'm sad.
one of the techs said (quite off the record) that if i kept in
contact with them and they weren't able to find a home for him,
they could possibly sneak him out the back door for me (i
supplied the words – they didn't actually say that). which would
be nice, but i know it would be dishonest. so for now, i'm
without Bagheera and i hate it! my mom says that i'll get thru
it, and i imagine i will, but it sure sucks in the interim.
anyway, that's where i am today. hope y'all are all well.
david
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 7:21:57 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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this is all going to work out, and i get my little boy back! :)
david
Wow, that's certainly good to hear. I thought it was going to be impossible
to keep him. What great news to hear and the end of a long, hectic and tired
week!
JN
aee1...@yahoo.com
2/24/2005 8:36:45 PM
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I'm sorry that David is facing this situation and I'm sorry if he
doesn't have people to talk to about it, but it is inappropriate
for this forum and, in the past, he has posted things about his cats,
which were very disturbing.
My heart goes out to him and the cat. I just don't want to
1) read about it on alt.fashion, labeled OT or not, or 2) know
about it at all.
It's quite simple then, don't open the post. The title's right there,
if you're not interested in a topic, why are you reading it? People
before have posted here before about having to put a pet to sleep, or a
pet dying, or getting a new pet, because there are a lot of pet lovers
here. This really isn't any different. There are a lot of non–fashion
related posts in this newsgroup, I don't really see what the big deal
over this one is. You should feel good, I would think, David said it
was your earlier post that spurred him on to go and try to work out the
situation with the vet in order to keep his beloved kitty.
Amanda
"stellaglo" <stella...@adelphia.net>
2/25/2005 8:11:28 AM


"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net> wrote in message
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I'm sorry that David is facing this situation and I'm sorry if he
doesn't have people to talk to about it, but it is inappropriate
for this forum and, in the past, he has posted things about his cats,
which were very disturbing.
My heart goes out to him and the cat. I just don't want to
1) read about it on alt.fashion, labeled OT or not, or 2) know
about it at all.
––AJ
ITA, aje. i cringed when i saw who was posting about cats.... perhaps it's
time for some of the newbies to google that shite and find out why we don't
want to hear about it. very creepy.
"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net>
2/25/2005 7:03:43 PM


<aee1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It's quite simple then, don't open the post. The title's right there,
if you're not interested in a topic, why are you reading it? People
before have posted here before about having to put a pet to sleep, or a
pet dying, or getting a new pet, because there are a lot of pet lovers
here. This really isn't any different. There are a lot of non–fashion
related posts in this newsgroup, I don't really see what the big deal
over this one is. You should feel good, I would think, David said it
was your earlier post that spurred him on to go and try to work out the
situation with the vet in order to keep his beloved kitty.
So let me see if I undertsand this, Amanda: you're saying that
I shouldn't have responded to the post even though my response
was the one David found most useful? Or that I shouldn't have
opened it at all? And thus been not able to respond, helpfully
or not?
[Shakes head in amazement.]
I can't tell you how tiresome it is, how stale and unprofitable,
to have my polite comment that I don't think something belongs
on alt.fashion met with if–you–don't–wanna–read–a–post–don't
open–it–blah–blah–blah. I mean, it makes me want to wail and
tear at my celadon cotton Eileen Fisher sweater, it makes me
want to stamp my worn–out Donald J Pliner sports shoes and pluck
and pull my Sebastian Laminate–d hair Flail my Lilly scarf around
in the very air.
Apparently you didn't understand 1) what I was saying in my post,
2) the tone with which I was saying in it, and 3) the context of
the entire subject matter.
I'm grateful that David did.
And FWIW I read all alt.fashion posts. Always have. Not such
a difficult task right now, since they number about 20 a day.
––AJ
"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net>
2/26/2005 12:38:17 AM


"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com> wrote in message
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There's really no reason to rehash this here. I very deliberately
did not discuss it directly in my post. I choose to believe
that people can change and that as we grow older and/or
wiser, we all learn to be better friends, better spouses,
better sons and daughters, better parents, and better pet–stewards.
I'm glad David wants to take care of his cat and cares enough
about him to make some sacrifices to get him proper medical care.
He should be encouraged not trashed.
I myself was not nearly as good and patient and conscientious
a cat–steward when my first two kittys (one of whom is still
kicking at 20) were young as I am now. But I figure the good
Lord's not done with me yet.
At least I hope not.
––AJ
"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com>
2/25/2005 4:46:47 PM
AJ wrote:


"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com> wrote in message
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There's really no reason to rehash this here. I very deliberately
did not discuss it directly in my post. I choose to believe
that people can change and that as we grow older and/or
wiser, we all learn to be better friends, better spouses,
better sons and daughters, better parents, and better pet–stewards.
I'm glad David wants to take care of his cat and cares enough
about him to make some sacrifices to get him proper medical care.
He should be encouraged not trashed.
I myself was not nearly as good and patient and conscientious
a cat–steward when my first two kittys (one of whom is still
kicking at 20) were young as I am now. But I figure the good
Lord's not done with me yet.
At least I hope not.
I am afraid my comments were misunderstood and I apologize if I was not
clear. I was speaking only for myself.
derbarb...@sbcglobal.net
2/25/2005 7:29:21 PM
jjjjjuliep wrote:
Maybe some of you actually offered him
money in private email.
no one offered me money. i'm paying for Bagheera's medical
expenses out of my own pocket.
david
"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com>
2/25/2005 3:18:44 PM
aee1...@yahoo.com wrote:
AJ wrote:
I'm sorry that David is facing this situation and I'm sorry if he
doesn't have people to talk to about it, but it is inappropriate
for this forum and, in the past, he has posted things about his
cats,
which were very disturbing.
My heart goes out to him and the cat. I just don't want to
1) read about it on alt.fashion, labeled OT or not, or 2) know
about it at all.
It's quite simple then, don't open the post. The title's right
there,
if you're not interested in a topic, why are you reading it? People
before have posted here before about having to put a pet to sleep, or
a
pet dying, or getting a new pet, because there are a lot of pet
lovers
here. This really isn't any different. There are a lot of
non–fashion
related posts in this newsgroup, I don't really see what the big deal
over this one is. You should feel good, I would think, David said it
was your earlier post that spurred him on to go and try to work out
the
situation with the vet in order to keep his beloved kitty.
With all due respect, I think you are misguided on a number of points.
1. It's not wrong to read all newsgroup posts. Indeed, like AJ, I
tend to read all of them too. If you post OT or flamebait (see #2),
then you should be prepared to take the consequences.
2. This is flamebait. David's history of a pet owner is
well–documented on a.f, and it's a shocking, disturbing, shameful
history. It's all here: http://tinyurl.com/4znas
If you missed it the first time, here are the salient points. He
adopted a kitten and "i wasn't the most patient owner, and i did a fair
amount of scolding, and i swatted (read: smacked the sh*t out of) her
more than once." Surprise, surprise, the cat had behavorial problems
and he decided he needed to get rid of this cat. After all, he made a
mess of it, so the easiest thing to do was to just avoid the problem
and get rid of the cat.
He knows damn well he upset a lot of people with that. And he
knows that people will remember. But he needs attention and so he's
posted this. Oh, he writes so pathetically, pity me, pity the poor
guy who has to give up his cat. Maybe some of you actually offered him
money in private email. Would that you knew this before you did.
Would that the people at the vet's office knew how he beat that poor,
defenseless kitten. There would be no payment plan. There would be no
"sneaking" the cat out the back door. Indeed, there would be no pets
at all at that household, ever, just as it should be.
People who beat animals, like people who beat children, are mentally
ill. I don't care that he claims he doesn't do it anymore (although he
did admit he was still abusing the cat, just not "smack[ing] the ****"
out of it anymore: "when i discipline her now, i just lightly smack
her on the
behind, and not in the face." Because, you know, it's OK to hit an
animal as long as you don't smack it around really hard. Just as
people who abuse children should not be allowed around children, people
who abuse animals should not be allowed around animals, let alone to be
responsible for their health and well–being.
The sight of people treating him as if he were some kind of St. Francis
of Assisi sickens me. I said it before and I'll say it again: the
most humane thing he could do for all of his pets is to give them all
up and to get psychological help for whatever it is that caused him to
abuse the poor cat in the first place.
I don't have pets and yet I know that having a pet is a privilege and
it carries with it responsiblities, not unlike––but not equal
to––having a child. To abuse such a creature becase you have other
issues you aren't dealing with is something I personally find very
upsetting in its incredible selfishness. If you cannot take care of an
animal in such a way that precludes your beating it, than you should
not own a pet. Work out your issues related to needing love in some
other way. Don't make a poor defenseless animal pay for your
inadequacy.
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 2:01:52 AM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:03:43 GMT, "AJ" <ajfash...@att.net> choked
out these words:
I mean, it makes me want to wail and
tear at my celadon cotton Eileen Fisher sweater, it makes me
want to stamp my worn–out Donald J Pliner sports shoes and pluck
and pull my Sebastian Laminate–d hair Flail my Lilly scarf around
in the very air.
and now we're back on topic!
david
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 2:05:31 AM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:11:28 –0500, "stellaglo"
<stella...@adelphia.net> choked out these words:
ITA, aje. i cringed when i saw who was posting about cats.... perhaps it's
time for some of the newbies to google that shite and find out why we don't
want to hear about it. very creepy.
you know, you do whatever it is you need to do to make you feel
better.
i'm being a responsible parent by taking care of his medical
bills. ahem, HER medical bills.
david
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 6:45:30 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:11:28 –0500, "stellaglo"
<stella...@adelphia.net> choked out these words:
you know, you do whatever it is you need to do to make you feel
better.
i'm being a responsible parent by taking care of his medical
bills. ahem, HER medical bills.
david
I'm allergic to cats, but I feel very badly for this situation you are in
David. It's not all about me and my allergies like it is for some people. I
can understand how it must feel really lonely at your house now and very
quiet and strange. It's a part of the family to most people. I
I honestly don't get these people who have a shit fit over animal veterinary
related or "this horrible thing happened at my little kid's elementary
school this week and I need to vent" OT posts, honestly. It's not like they
came to the NG to complain about car insurance fees, noise in the hall on
their Hawaiian vacation, or something equally as materialistic. It's a
problem that relates to their *loved ones*, you know?
Take care, David. :–)
JN
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 7:12:04 PM


<aee1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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AJ wrote:
It's quite simple then, don't open the post. The title's right there,
if you're not interested in a topic, why are you reading it? People
before have posted here before about having to put a pet to sleep, or a
pet dying, or getting a new pet, because there are a lot of pet lovers
here. This really isn't any different. There are a lot of non–fashion
related posts in this newsgroup, I don't really see what the big deal
over this one is. You should feel good, I would think, David said it
was your earlier post that spurred him on to go and try to work out the
situation with the vet in order to keep his beloved kitty.
Amanda
Don't you gals know how to kill all threads in your newsreader with certain
words you don't like in them? If you don't like pet posts, for instance,
killfile the words of the pets you don't like (iguanas, snakes, armadillos,
hamsters, etc.) and those *words* will not even show UP in the first place
on your newsreader at all!!!!
I've done this with certain words that I find highly offensive (cats *NOT*
being one of them) and in Outlook Express it truly does work nearly 98% of
the time at filtering out those words if they are not capitalized in various
threads. Works like a charm. Nobody on UNMODERATED Usenet should have to
curtail their off topic, properly marked posts to suit *your* petty needs,
girls.
You could both easily just block the words "cat", "feline", "kitty",
"kitten", "meow", "furbaby", "baby pussycat", "little critter", etc. in less
than five minutes time in most any newsreader. Therefore, there's really no
reason to bitch to others about a problem that *YOU* yourselves could easily
prevent from ever occurring in the first place, truthfully.
Be pro–active, in other words, and quit expecting everybody ELSE to create
the type of world *for you* that you'd ideally love to live in. You aren't
the queen of the castle and nobody's going to cater to your needs for free.
JN
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 7:33:11 PM


<derbarb...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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jjjjjuliep wrote:
no one offered me money. i'm paying for Bagheera's medical
expenses out of my own pocket.
david
Where did you come up with that name for your cat? I like it so much. It
almost sounds East Indian or possibly Moroccan something.
JN
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 3:40:18 AM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:21:57 –0800, "A Spanglie Home Companion"
<spangle_...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
the end of a long, hectic and tired
week!
if only it were that easy. i found out the same day of the news
about my kitty that they company i work for has been sold.
bought by Regis. so starting March 1, i'll be a Regis employee.
i feel sad for the owner of my present company – he started from
scratch in 1984, eventually opening more than 150 salons in
Texas, Colorado, and Washington state. due to some bad advice,
he made some policies that violated labour laws, and ended up
with a class–action suit against him and his company. the only
way for him to get out from under it and possibly avoid losing
everything was to sell the company. i decided not to get
involved in the suit because the policies never affected me as a
commissioned employee.
you can read more about it here, if you're interested:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/sixel/2760155
david
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
3/6/2005 3:11:04 AM
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:15:37 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> choked out these words:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:56:12 –0800, A Spanglie Home Companion wrote:
<snip>
it's time to buy a Sony Playstation instead and keep the internet OFF
already.
I think she'd benefit more from a Hitachi Magic Wand.
ok, NOW i get this.
http://sfgate.com/cgi–bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2005/03/04/notes030405.DTL&nl=fix
david
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 8:01:21 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:21:57 –0800, "A Spanglie Home Companion"
<spangle_...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
if only it were that easy. i found out the same day of the news
about my kitty that they company i work for has been sold.
bought by Regis. so starting March 1, i'll be a Regis employee.
i feel sad for the owner of my present company – he started from
scratch in 1984, eventually opening more than 150 salons in
Texas, Colorado, and Washington state. due to some bad advice,
he made some policies that violated labour laws, and ended up
with a class–action suit against him and his company. the only
way for him to get out from under it and possibly avoid losing
everything was to sell the company. i decided not to get
involved in the suit because the policies never affected me as a
commissioned employee.
you can read more about it here, if you're interested:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/sixel/2760155
david
I live in WA state but have never heard of that company, oddly enough. Maybe
they only have locations on the Eastern and Central portion of my state,
however??? I've heard only good things about Regis if it makes you feel any
better, though. Everyone I know in that Pac. NW (and my family located here
is *quite* large) absolutely loves their salon and their products. I've only
bought shampoo there, however, and have never had a haircut there. Hope it
all works out for you, David.
My cousin's wife who works for a JC Penney salon (in a small little town
North of me...I'm in Seattle, where haircuts usually cost $50 a
pop...ouch...that's expensive!!!!) here in WA state gave me a crummy haircut
about two weeks ago and I've been working with it tirelessly in the mornings
ever since to make it look presentable.
She was getting far too chatty with others and IMO was not paying good
attention. I felt awkward telling her "Hey, Damnit! Look at my freakin' head
more when you cut!!!" since I have to deal with her at all sorts of family
functions and her little kids just love me to death, you know? It's looking
*FAR* better now, but just takes too long to style and I have to use too
many appliances on it. I think she must be blind or something, but at least
I didn't pay an arm and a leg for it and it will grow out. :–)
JN
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
2/26/2005 4:02:52 AM
On 25 Feb 2005 19:29:21 –0800, derbarb...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
jjjjjuliep wrote:
Maybe some of you actually offered him
money in private email.
no one offered me money. i'm paying for Bagheera's medical
expenses out of my own pocket.
Maybe we should send you money so jjjjjuliep knows there are some
people one would send money to and there are other people that they
wouldn't give the time of day.

Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 4:10:54 AM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:01:21 –0800, "A Spanglie Home Companion"
<spangle_...@hotmail.com> choked out these words:
I live in WA state but have never heard of that company, oddly enough. Maybe
they only have locations on the Eastern and Central portion of my state,
however???
there used to be one in Seattle, and i know there's one currently
in Tacoma.
I've heard only good things about Regis if it makes you feel any
better, though. Everyone I know in that Pac. NW (and my family located here
is *quite* large) absolutely loves their salon and their products. I've only
bought shampoo there, however, and have never had a haircut there. Hope it
all works out for you, David.
i worked for Regis very briefly last year. overall, it was a
good experience, and i left on good terms. Regis wants to keep
all of TGF's present staff, and wants to make the transition as
seamless as possible. it's definitely going to be A Good
Thing[tm]. and they're keeping the TGF name, since the
communities in which the salons are located already know the
name.
david
Ruzinthra the Ruki <ruzint...@ruki.com>
2/26/2005 4:14:26 AM
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:10:54 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki
<ruzint...@ruki.com> choked out these words:
there used to be one in Seattle, and i know there's one currently
in Tacoma.
here are your Washington locations. please note that the
locations in Washington are owned (i believe) by TGF Haircutters,
Inc, and are not affiliated with the salons in Texas, which are
owned (until next Tuesday) by Brelian.
http://www.google.com/local?num=50&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&q=tgf&near=Tacoma,+WA&sa=X&oi=localr
david
––
"Mr. Lancaster" as you call him is soooo full
of donkey doo that it isn't funny. Seeking
his advice is akin to saying "lie to me".
–Walter, AMOE, 01/26/2005
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 8:46:01 PM


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 04:10:54 GMT, Ruzinthra the Ruki
<ruzint...@ruki.com> choked out these words:
here are your Washington locations. please note that the
locations in Washington are owned (i believe) by TGF Haircutters,
Inc, and are not affiliated with the salons in Texas, which are
owned (until next Tuesday) by Brelian.
http://www.google.com/local?num=50&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&c2coff=1&q=tgf&near=Tacoma,+WA&sa=X&oi=localr
david
––
"Mr. Lancaster" as you call him is soooo full
of donkey doo that it isn't funny. Seeking
his advice is akin to saying "lie to me".
–Walter, AMOE, 01/26/2005
Ok, thanks. I know where that one on Market St. is. My best friend used to
be a bookkeeper for a jewelry store in that neighborhood before she got
married and had her baby. I'll go in there and check out their products and
stuff sometime.
JN
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
2/26/2005 2:15:37 PM
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 20:56:12 –0800, A Spanglie Home Companion wrote:
DAMN!!!! Julie, you REALLY need to get off the internet and find some
new hobbies. If people on here with cats give you this much stress
and bring you this fucking close to a heart attack
Not to forget her obsession with people who run their dishwashers.
it's time to buy a Sony Playstation instead and keep the internet OFF
already.
I think she'd benefit more from a Hitachi Magic Wand.
"Collaterspangle" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
3/2/2005 10:29:07 PM


"Charlie Perrin" <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> wrote in message
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I think she'd benefit more from a Hitachi Magic Wand.
LMFAO falling off my chair!!!!!!!! Hhahahahaha!!!!! Good one, Charles. Great
timing.
JN
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 8:56:12 PM


"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com> wrote in message
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aee1...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm sorry that David is facing this situation and I'm sorry if he
doesn't have people to talk to about it, but it is inappropriate
for this forum and, in the past, he has posted things about his
cats,
which were very disturbing.
My heart goes out to him and the cat. I just don't want to
1) read about it on alt.fashion, labeled OT or not, or 2) know
about it at all.
there,
a
lovers
non–fashion
the
With all due respect, I think you are misguided on a number of points.
1. It's not wrong to read all newsgroup posts. Indeed, like AJ, I
tend to read all of them too. If you post OT or flamebait (see #2),
then you should be prepared to take the consequences.
2. This is flamebait. David's history of a pet owner is
well–documented on a.f, and it's a shocking, disturbing, shameful
history. It's all here: http://tinyurl.com/4znas
If you missed it the first time, here are the salient points. He
adopted a kitten and "i wasn't the most patient owner, and i did a fair
amount of scolding, and i swatted (read: smacked the sh*t out of) her
more than once." Surprise, surprise, the cat had behavorial problems
and he decided he needed to get rid of this cat. After all, he made a
mess of it, so the easiest thing to do was to just avoid the problem
and get rid of the cat.
He knows damn well he upset a lot of people with that. And he
knows that people will remember. But he needs attention and so he's
posted this. Oh, he writes so pathetically, pity me, pity the poor
guy who has to give up his cat. Maybe some of you actually offered him
money in private email. Would that you knew this before you did.
Would that the people at the vet's office knew how he beat that poor,
defenseless kitten. There would be no payment plan. There would be no
"sneaking" the cat out the back door. Indeed, there would be no pets
at all at that household, ever, just as it should be.
People who beat animals, like people who beat children, are mentally
ill. I don't care that he claims he doesn't do it anymore (although he
did admit he was still abusing the cat, just not "smack[ing] the ****"
out of it anymore: "when i discipline her now, i just lightly smack
her on the
behind, and not in the face." Because, you know, it's OK to hit an
animal as long as you don't smack it around really hard. Just as
people who abuse children should not be allowed around children, people
who abuse animals should not be allowed around animals, let alone to be
responsible for their health and well–being.
The sight of people treating him as if he were some kind of St. Francis
of Assisi sickens me. I said it before and I'll say it again: the
most humane thing he could do for all of his pets is to give them all
up and to get psychological help for whatever it is that caused him to
abuse the poor cat in the first place.
I don't have pets and yet I know that having a pet is a privilege and
it carries with it responsiblities, not unlike––but not equal
to––having a child. To abuse such a creature becase you have other
issues you aren't dealing with is something I personally find very
upsetting in its incredible selfishness. If you cannot take care of an
animal in such a way that precludes your beating it, than you should
not own a pet. Work out your issues related to needing love in some
other way. Don't make a poor defenseless animal pay for your
inadequacy.
DAMN!!!! Julie, you REALLY need to get off the internet and find some new
hobbies. If people on here with cats give you this much stress and bring you
this fucking close to a heart attack, it's time to buy a Sony Playstation
instead and keep the internet OFF already. Sheeesh. Sky down and chill
already, you raging twit.
JN
"A Spanglie Home Companion" <spangle_...@hotmail.com>
2/25/2005 9:00:41 PM


"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com> wrote in message
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AJ wrote:
I am afraid my comments were misunderstood and I apologize if I was not
clear. I was speaking only for myself.
In speaking "for yourself" you were verbally beating the absolute crap out
of David. If you somehow think he's an abuser (you accused him of being one
towards animals), it takes one to know one in this case, Julie. You seemed
to be getting quite the arousing rise out of going to town on him with a
full frontal shootout, basically. Nobody should be more ashamed right now
than YOU.
:–(
JN
"Miss Livvy" <Xeveryidiwantistak...@yahoo.com>
2/27/2005 2:00:28 AM
I have a one–eyed dog that I adopted from a rescue just shortly after she
had lost her eye. The woman who ran the rescue told me that the previous
owner had brought the dog to the vet emergency room just after it had been
bitten in the eye by another dog, and that when the owner found out that the
dog was going to lose it's eye forever, he/she said "just put her down, I
don't want her anymore", and gave up ownership of the dog. I've always
wondered if maybe the real story was that the original owner simply could
not afford the vet bill. Of course, I will never know, but I prefer to
believe the benign version and your story gives me some faith that maybe
it's true.
Sorry about your loss.


"Ruzinthra the Ruki" <ruzint...@ruki.com> wrote in message
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some of you may remember when i posted here about six months ago
about my kitty Bagheera. he had blockage in his urethra and
couldn't go to the bathroom. last night, i noticed that he was
squatting, but nothing was coming out. today, i watched him
squat for 10 minutes with no output. so i took him to the vet.
they recommended surgery. they started the surgery while i was
there. basically, they did a penectomy – turned my boy into a
girl. the estimate was $821 – it was $688 the first time; they
catheterized him the first time for five days. now the problem
has returned, but with surgery, he'll have a bigger opening, and
won't have the blockage problem, but will have more problems with
bladder infections. the vet said maybe one or two per year, at a
cost of $60 or $70 per occurance. when i asked how much to
euthanize him (not that i actually wanted to do that, but that
the cost was so prohibitive), they said if i transferred
ownership, they'd see to it that his med bills were paid, and
they'd find him a good home. i asked for a few minutes, and
called my mom and cried to her on the phone. she's raising my
neice because my sister did drugs and alcohol while she was
pregnant – my mom has legal custody thru CPS. my mom said that
with the child (just turned a year old), it's difficult for them
financially, too, and if something happened to one of their pets,
they didn't know if they'd be able to afford it, either. so i
transferred owner of my kitty. true, i have three others, but
Bagheera was my favourite. he cuddled with me at night; he let
me rub his belly. and now he's gone, and i'm sad.
one of the techs said (quite off the record) that if i kept in
contact with them and they weren't able to find a home for him,
they could possibly sneak him out the back door for me (i
supplied the words – they didn't actually say that). which would
be nice, but i know it would be dishonest. so for now, i'm
without Bagheera and i hate it! my mom says that i'll get thru
it, and i imagine i will, but it sure sucks in the interim.
anyway, that's where i am today. hope y'all are all well.
david