Need help from Hat Women

I got an awesome black wool bowler (sort of) hat. It looks great on me and
is so stylish I want to wear it all the time. I need some advice. I know
that etiquette calls for men to remove their hats indoors. Does the same go
for women? Hat women, how often do you remove your hat when you wear it
out? Would you keep it on for a movie, dinner, a concert? I ask because my
hair gets truly messed up by my hat and when I wear it I'd like to just keep
it on. Also, taking it off and holding it, is sort of a nuicance. Any
advice from hat wearers would be appreciated! Thanks!
Ami

Ami wrote:
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I love hats, too.
I recommend, out of consideration for shorties like myself, you don't
wear it during a movie or a concert. Don't fret – it'll be dark and no
one will see your flat hair when you take it off! You can put it back
on at intermission before the lights come back up.
I usually tuck my hat inside my coat sleeve so I don't lose it. As for
messy hair, when I want to wear a hat, I put my hair back, smooth it
with gel and spray on hairspray to keep it in place. Then when I take
off my hat, I lick my hands and smooth down the flyaways (do this in
the bathroom).
jen

"Ami" <amia...@nac.net> wrote in message news:41e6b2d5$...@nntp2.nac.net...
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Ami,
I'm not sure what Miss Manners says but I think this – It is acceptable for
women to keep their headwear on indoors; the opposite for men. (This has
been one of my pet peeves for a long time; the men/hat thing.) In the
instance that the hat will impede others' viewing pleasure, it should be
removed for others' consideration. I would keep my hat on during dinner; I
would remove for both concert and movie if it were of a size and shape to
impede others' vision. The size and shape of the hat, in brim and bowl,
should be kept in mind when deciding (err on the side of caution). If the
hat is not high, but close to the head, with a small brim and no severely
protruding items, then it should be acceptable to keep it on.
HTH,
Jamie
(I just have to add that another peeve of mine currently spitting in the
street! If I ever catch my son doing this, I will scream. And I don't even
have to go into the scratching in public thing!)

Ami wrote:
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No; etiquette does not require a woman to remove her hat indoors. This
is no longer well known, however, so you can expect comments. Feel
free to enlighten people. ;–>
Hat women, how often do you remove your hat when you wear it
I'd give that a solid *it depends* I have many friends who, as part of
their religious observance, keep their hair covered –– often with hats
–– at all times. They would not remove their hats. OTOH, they would
ensure that the hat would not interfere with the enjoyment of others by
wearing a hat that fits closely at the crown (which I assume that your
bowler does). In other words, if your hat would not bother others
substantially more than your head would, feel free to wear it.
Enjoy!
Barbara
I ask because my
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you are referring to fashionable hats, not fleecy/bucket/keep–warm hats, right?
i read long ago that a woman's hat is considered part of her ensemble, but
a man's hat is considered outerwear, which is why his should be removed
indoors. i *never* remove my fashionable hats indoors. i would remove a
fleecy–warm hat that is obviously used to ward off the outdoor cold.
––
robyn
robynew <at> yahoo <dot> com

shinypenny wrote:
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You lick your hands?

tina wrote:
My favorite hat is red and I'm just shy of 40. Oh well – I'm still
going to wear it. Red is a good color on me.
jen

Hat Etiquette
Miss Manners : "Ladies properly keep their hats on indoors, everywhere
except their own houses, during the day"
"Luncheons even traditionally required ladies to wear
hats"
Classic rules
For women hats are acceptable indoors
Ladies hats may be worn in both the day and the evening
Daytime hats must be taken off at dusk
COUNTRY CLUB
1. Women may wear hats and visors indoors in any setting.
CHURCH
1. Appropriate for women to wear hats inside a church
DINNER
1. Women should not remove hats that go with dinner suits or dinner
dresses throughout the evening.
2. After dinner is the most appropriate time for a woman to remove her
hat in the evening,
if she is so inclined to take it off.
EVENING DRESS
1. It is incorrect to wear a hat with an evening dress
HATBAND
1. Hat–wearers must be careful when putting something on the hatband.
Anything on a woman's hatband must be on the right.
(anything put on the band of a man's hat must be on the left side)
HOMES
1. Women should keep their hats on in homes holding christenings,
weddings and funerals,
because in those occasions the house is treated as if it were a
house of worship
NATIONAL ANTHEM
1. Suggest men and women both remove their hats during the national
anthem...
unless the woman is wearing a very proper hat.
2. A woman may leave her hat on indoors or during the playing of The
National Anthem,
unless it is considered unisex like a baseball cap.
When wearing such a unisex cap, a woman should follow the same
guidelines as for men.
PERFORMANCES
Theatre or Concert
1. Removing hat if it is blocking someone's view in a theater or
concert
Holds hat in lap until performance ended
to give people behind you an unobstructed view
SEASONS: Appropriate textiles/materials
1. Fall/winter hats
Felt, Fleece, Fur, Leather and Suede, Panne, Velvet, Wool.
2. Spring/summer hats
Chiffon, Corduroy, Cotton, Crepe, Dupione Silk, Jersey, Lace, Laize,
Linen, Organza, Satin, Silk, Straw,
Taffeta, Tulle.
3. All season Evening hats
Chiffon, Crepe, Dupione Silk, Jersey, Lace, Organza, Satin, Silk,
Taffeta, Tulle
TYPES:
1. Dress Hat
A dress hat may be worn both indoors and outdoors
2. Large Brimmed Hats
Regardless of how dressy, usually are not considered evening wear
and it would be unusual to see one after 6:00 P.M.
Only exception would be in an outside gathering in hot weather where
it legitimately could be claimed
that the large brimmed hat was protecting you from sun and wind
3. Red Hat
The "red hat rule": women under the age of 50 shouldn't wear red
hats
WEDDING
1. Reception
Hats are often removed at the wedding reception.
Take your lead from the Mother of the Bride – when she removes her
hat guests should follow.

Ami wrote:
me and
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because my
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It's easier to decide if it's proper if you keep these 2 things in
mind:
Hats, for women, are (leaving aside those who wear hats for
modesty/religious reasons, which wasn't your inquiry):
1. daytime accessories
––they are properly worn to teas or lunches or church or social events
with the appropriate/corresponding level of formality of dress
––they are not worn if you are hosting a daytime event in your own home
––the exception to daytime accessories of course being the "cocktail
hat" which is worn as a part of a specific type of ensemble"
––this is also assuming the obvious difference between a formal hat
worn as an accessory and an informal hat worn as functional outerwear
2. primarily decorative/social so they are not worn indoors when you
are conducting business that earns your crust.
––that is, if I went to consult with an attorney I would properly wear
a hat as part of my daytime ensemble, but if I were the attorney it
would be improper for me to wear a hat while conducting that meeting.
So it's not an issue regarding dinner or concerts (time of day issue)
or movies (level of formality of dress issue).
If you don't care about etiquette rules such as these, then I guess the
rule would be to remove it if you are blocking someone else's view.

"jjjjjuliep" <jjjjju...@aol.com> wrote in message
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But regarding hats during movies, dinners, or concerts was Ami's
issue/question.
Jamie

Jamie wrote:
And I addressed all of those situations.

The etiquette of the English–speaking world does not require that women
remove dress hats indoors (women should take off "unisex" hats, like
ball caps and knit caps, while indoors).
I would probably feel comfortable keeping a hat with a very shallow
brim on during a movie or concert, but any hat with a brim larger than
2" will impede other people's view. Hats can always be worn at dinner.
I envy you! I look like ass in a hat.
T.

On 13 Jan 2005 15:05:10 –0800, jjjjjuliep wrote:
Then when I take off my hat, I lick my hands and
smooth down the flyaways (do this in the bathroom).
I could see dampening one's hands in the sink... but licking one's
hands? Talk of hand–to–mouth contamination waiting to happen!
For some reason... I'm thinking of Catwoman. <grin/duck>

Wow, thank you all for the interesting replies!
Since it's not a fancy hat, I'm thinking I need you all to see it to
decide. It's something like this–
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52369&item=8159882196&rd=1 I
couldn't find any other picture which came close. It's rounder and stingier
in the brim than a fedora, but not so round as a traditional bowler. It's
wool felt with a subtle inch and a half grosgrain black ribbon. It is by no
means a fancy hat that would go with an "outfit". I would wear this with a
boatneck top, jeans and my black and red high tops (for example). It goes
with everything casual.
O.k., so I could definitely keep this on in a stadium show. Movies, I could
probably get away with it since I'm 4'11, but I would probably take it off
anyway– I could wear it in the lobby though! I was mostly concerned with
the indoor thing, so that was the major issue. I'm still not positive if
this qualifies as a weather busting hat or if I can wear it indoors. I do
look ever so sassy in it! Thanks again for the detailed info!
Ami

On 13 Jan 2005 11:18:13 –0800, "Barbara"
<mom_2_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
And do bear in mind that shorter people often can't see over
the person in front anyway, so tend to look _around_ your
head... so a brim would also be a nuisance. Sounds like a
nice hat, by the way!
––
m a u d i e
Maudie's "when I feel like it" services are currently on ice.

Charlie Perrin wrote:
Actually, it was a trick taught to me by my hairdresser. My hair is
very, very fine, and I get these little annoying flyaways that stick up
all over my head. She taught me to lick my hands and run them over the
hair – not really touching the hair – just enough to break the
electrical charge. If I have moisturizer on hand, I use that instead.
But on those days I carry a small purse, I usually don't have room for
moisturizer. This is one of those "in a pinch" tactics.
If I dampen my hands in the sink, I find that it's too much water for
my fine, thin hair and I am apt to end up with a wet head, even if I
pat my hands dry on a paper towel. It flattens it *too* much.
Obviously, I wash my hands in the sink thoroughly before and
afterwards. I am a religious hand washer, at home, work and in public.
I think that comes with being a mom.
Yep, I know it sounds weird, and that's why I wouldn't do it if others
were also in the bathroom at the same time!
jen

"Ami" <amia...@nac.net> wrote in news:41e6b2d5$...@nntp2.nac.net:
Among other things, for me, it depends on the hat and the setting. If
it's in the way of others, I remove it whether it's a part of my ensemble
or not. If it's an outside keep–my–head–warm hat (such as I'm wearing
today to go to work) I remove it when I'm inside unless I'm popping in
and out of shops, and then I'll leave it on. I would not wear a hat
during a movie or at a concert (unless it was a low profile hat such as a
Kanga or something like that). I would keep a hat on at dinner if it was
a part of my evening ensemble, such as a small capped cloche with
feathers or a veil or something 40ish IYKWIM.
Summer hats are a different thing for me and I would tend to keep them on
if I were at some sort of outdoor function or at a tea or something of
that nature, but mostly during the day (can't recall wearing a summer
brimmed hat much at night). I would never keep a hat on if it was in the
way of anyone else.
I would remove a winter bowler hat inside unless I were popping in and
out shopping.
Is it the static from the hat or might a larger hat be helpful?
––
Poetic Badgers
"Snow.. snow, that can't be good for suede, can it?" –Jerry Seinfeld