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Looks I am sick of: No. 1

Trilby <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu>
The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
For proof of the ubiquity of this combination, check out this page on
the Bergdorf web site.
http://tinyurl.com/48wll
Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is
possible to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
Priscilla
–––
p...@midway.uchicago.edu "Here comes the most beautiful woman in
puppetland!"
"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net>


"Trilby" <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote in message
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The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
For proof of the ubiquity of this combination, check out this page on
the Bergdorf web site.
http://tinyurl.com/48wll
Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is
possible to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
Glad I didn't post to the WAYWT thread, lol.
––mea culpa AJ
"Blazin' Tommy D." <td...@stny.rr.com>


"Trilby" <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote in message
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The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
For proof of the ubiquity of this combination, check out this page on
the Bergdorf web site.
http://tinyurl.com/48wll
Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is
possible to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
Priscilla
–––
p...@midway.uchicago.edu "Here comes the most beautiful woman in
puppetland!"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BTD: I like this one leebsheh
http://masl.gnomehack.com/?Q17541DE9
I don't like the funny looking upside down, and other assorted weirdo heel
shapes particularly on boots
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


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"Trilby" <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote in message
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Glad I didn't post to the WAYWT thread, lol.
––mea culpa AJ
I'm just beginning to think about my tweed jacket with jeans. I bought
the suit but don't wear it very often. I think I need to just start
wearing the skirt with sweaters. The jacket with jeans is still a new
look for me. I never owned a denim jacket.
Audrey
KMS <badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible>
Trilby wrote:
The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
On a related note, I am sick to death of the cute tweed/boucle jacket
with a silk/lace cami underneath, regardless of what is worn below the
waist. This was cute for about a week, and now it's just tired. IMNSHO.
–KMS
Chris Braun <braun_ch...@mindspring.com>
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:02:57 GMT, KMS
<badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote:
Trilby wrote:
On a related note, I am sick to death of the cute tweed/boucle jacket
with a silk/lace cami underneath, regardless of what is worn below the
waist. This was cute for about a week, and now it's just tired. IMNSHO.
–KMS
So what is a good thing to wear under a tweed/boucle jacket? I'm not
much of a camisole wearer, but I am always at a loss as to what to
wear under jackets. I don't seem to do well with tuck–in blouses, as
there always seems like so much extra fabric that doesn't want to stay
tucked in.
Chris
Nadya <na...@spam.net>
Trilby wrote:
The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
Ack – No! I just yesterday finally found a tweed jacket I like and that
likes me. Can I get an exception for the rest of the winter :–)?
Nadya
emiri...@aol.com (EMiriamD)
Can I get an exception for the rest of the winter :–)?
Yes. You get an Official A.F. Tweed Dispensation.
So let it be written. So let it be done.
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
Nadya <na...@spam.net>
I worte:
Can I get an exception for the rest of the winter :–)?
EMiriamD wrote:
Yes. You get an Official A.F. Tweed Dispensation.
So let it be written. So let it be done.
Thanks be to alt.fashion. You are merciful and wise.
Nadya
"Susan in LA" <susan...@hotmail.com>


"Trilby" <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote in message
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The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
For proof of the ubiquity of this combination, check out this page on the
Bergdorf web site.
http://tinyurl.com/48wll
Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is possible
to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
Heck, jackets worn with matching skirts are starting to look fresh and bold.
Actually I really like this look of tweedy jackts with jeans but I've seen
it in so many times that I'm afraid I'll look like a fashion victim if I
wear it. Also fussy things like these Chanel–inspired jackets don't really
suit me.
Speaking of looks we are sick of: am I a fashion–victim if I buy a poncho at
this point? (This is probably one of those "if you have to ask" things, eh?)
Maybe I can wear one of my pashminas sideways to make it look like a poncho
until the urge goes away.....Hey, I know! I can fasten it with a big brooch!
Susan
caryper...@aol.comnospam (Caryperk39)
I'd rather throw out the tweed and wear brocade, fur, heavy embroidery, or
something else not so common. Once you can buy it at the Limited, I don't want
it anymore.
cary
emiri...@aol.com (EMiriamD)
'd rather throw out the tweed and wear brocade, fur, heavy embroidery, or
something else not so common.
Leather. Black leather. Always works. Always in style. Nothing beats it.
The end.
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
airam1002...@yahoo.com (Maria)
I am totally sick of fabric flowers pinned to dresses, t–shirts,
jackets...& the rest of them. Enough already!
It was a nice, fresh look two years ago! Let it go for Christ's sake.
––Maria
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:02:57 GMT, KMS
<badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote:
So what is a good thing to wear under a tweed/boucle jacket? I'm not
much of a camisole wearer, but I am always at a loss as to what to
wear under jackets. I don't seem to do well with tuck–in blouses, as
there always seems like so much extra fabric that doesn't want to stay
tucked in.
Chris
I wear lightweight sweaters under my tweed jacket. Nice cotton tees can
work too. I only wear blouses under pullovers.
Audrey
KMS <badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible>
ahmward wrote:


"Chris Braun" <braun_ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I wear lightweight sweaters under my tweed jacket. Nice cotton tees can
work too. I only wear blouses under pullovers.
These are great suggestions, Audrey! I also think a nice silk shell of
some kind would work great under a tweed jacket and would look so much
nicer than most of the camis I've seen, particularly for those of us
over 25 or so (and those of us larger than a B cup). Just MHO. I'm not
saying people shouldn't wear camis under tweed jackets, I'm just saying
I personally find the look less than fresh.
–KMS, well over 25 and larger than a B cup
"Martha Hardcastle Guthrie" <mot...@woh.rr.com>
Ugh. I agree. It reminds me of the 80s, when guys would wear a sport jacket
with or without a tie to dress up their jeans – a look I call "Eighties
Record Store Manager" or "Eighties Young Newspaper Editor/writer."
I am sick to death of girls'/womens' tops and accesories with "Princess,"
"Brat," "Spoiled Rotten," "Cutie," "Hottie," et all ad nauseam.
And as much as I love pink, it's chilling to see it on clothing or hats that
are supposed to be in school or team colors –
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=52366&item=8151200742&rd=1
Or the guys' version – in camo rather than pink –
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=24722&item=5143559518&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
I suspect this stuff will look "last season" by the end of this season.
Martha


"Trilby" <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote in message
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The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
For proof of the ubiquity of this combination, check out this page on the
Bergdorf web site.
http://tinyurl.com/48wll
Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is possible
to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
Priscilla
–––
p...@midway.uchicago.edu "Here comes the most beautiful woman in
puppetland!"
emiri...@aol.com (EMiriamD)
Ugh. I agree. It reminds me of the 80s, when guys would wear a sport jacket
with or without a tie to dress up their jeans – a look I call "Eighties
Record Store Manager" or "Eighties Young Newspaper Editor/writer."
Then there's the "Miami Vice" look: sport jacket over tee shirt. (Actually, I
like this as a women's look and still do wear it, albeit not with a sport
jacket.)
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
evamare...@aol.com (EvaMarenah)
From: "Martha Hardcastle Guthrie" mot...@woh.rr.com
I am sick to death of girls'/womens' tops and accesories with "Princess,"
"Brat," "Spoiled Rotten," "Cutie," "Hottie," et all ad nauseam.
I spend 2–4 months in Europe every year. These accessories with English words
printed on them are a big pet peeve of mine. Mostly because the very young
girls who wear them don't speak English and don't understand what is being
said. In Milan, Paris and elsewhere, I've seen pre–teen girls wearing tee
shirts and the backside of their shorts with words like 'slut,' 'momma whore',
'virgin', and 'baby f––k.' I've even pulled some aside and asked them if they
understand what it says. Most do not and when I tell them they either are very
embarrassed or they don't care. The important thing is that they're "cosi,
sexy."
Marenah
"Madolyn" <madolyn_cl...@***no***hotmail.com***spam***>


"Martha Hardcastle Guthrie" <mot...@woh.rr.com> wrote in message
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Ugh. I agree. It reminds me of the 80s, when guys would wear a sport
jacket
with or without a tie to dress up their jeans – a look I call "Eighties
Record Store Manager" or "Eighties Young Newspaper Editor/writer."
Or the lead singer from Journey! Wasn't his trademark a tuxedo jacket with
jeans and Nikes back in the late 70s/early 80s?
–– Madolyn
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>
Two trendies were ahead of me in line at the home tour Friday. They
were young and cute. Both wore pink tweed jackets (different styles)
with jeans and stilettos, brooches on the jacket lapels and they carried
metallic handbags. One wore her cell phone on her right ear. Not
original.
Audrey
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:50:58 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
However, I think even worse is the bare–belly look on
30+ women
Shania Twain is 39. Nothing wrong with her belly. <grin/duck>
itsjoannotjo...@webtv.net (ItsJoanNotJoAnn)
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Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:46:53 –0800, ahmward wrote:
When will women learn to wear earrings instead of cell phones?
I agree, too much "wearing" of cell phones (apparently attached to the
ear).
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


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"Trilby" <p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote in message
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Glad I didn't post to the WAYWT thread, lol.
––mea culpa AJ
I know it's been ubiquitous in fashmags and stores for a while but here it
hasn't become commonplace on the street around here yet so I'm holding out
tolerance for it, lol. Besides, although I bought my tweed jackets in the
middle of summer I only just began to wear them recently so I grant an
extension to myself so I can continue to wear this look. I bought a dark
colored one to wear for late fall early winter, and a red with pink one with
3/4 sleeves for the spring. And, hey, I haven't even bought really cool Too
Young For Me Jeans to wear with them yet!
Remember the navy blue double–breasted "Ralph Lauren" blazer with jeans look
from the 80's! That stuck around for a long time around here. I think that
in areas where people tend toward casual dressing they like to have a new
way to wear their jeans other than with plain t's, etc.
Claire
caryper...@aol.comnospam (Caryperk39)
Remember the navy blue double–breasted "Ralph Lauren" blazer with jeans look
from the 80's! That stuck around for a long time around here. I think that
in areas where people tend toward casual dressing they like to have a new
way to wear their jeans other than with plain t's, etc.
Claire
Remember the navy blue double–breasted "Ralph Lauren" blazer with jeans look
from the 80's! That stuck around for a long time around here. I think that
in areas where people tend toward casual dressing they like to have a new
way to wear their jeans other than with plain t's, etc.
Claire
Don't forget to wear your white socks and black leather loafers with that
outfit! (Still seen, occasionally, on boomers around town.
cary
emiri...@aol.com (EMiriamD)
Don't forget to wear your white socks and black leather loafers with that
outfit! (Still seen, occasionally, on boomers around town.
Ewwwwww. (And I'm a boomer. But I wouldn't be caught dead––or even
comatose––in such a getup.)
As for the tweed jacket thang, I never got into it. And it's probably pretty
much over here in the NY area.
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
"Susan in LA" <susan...@hotmail.com>


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Don't forget to wear your white socks and black leather loafers with that
outfit! (Still seen, occasionally, on boomers around town.
Ewwwwww. (And I'm a boomer. But I wouldn't be caught dead––or even
comatose––in such a getup.)
As for the tweed jacket thang, I never got into it. And it's probably
pretty
much over here in the NY area.
That's the problem living in LA too....by the time I figure out something's
in style, it's out of style.....
julane...@aol.com (Linda)
I think a lot of us 'older' folks have a shorter attention span for some of the
current fashions because they're not new. We've seen them before, and although
they may seem 'fresh' for about 5 minutes because it's been awhile since we've
seen them, the freshness stales quicker than it does for younger folks who may
not have been around for the trend when it took place 20 or 30 years ago.
Linda
emiri...@aol.com (EMiriamD)
I think a lot of us 'older' folks have a shorter attention span for some of
the
current fashions because they're not new. We've seen them before, and
although
they may seem 'fresh' for about 5 minutes because it's been awhile since
we've
seen them, the freshness stales quicker than it does for younger
folks who may
not have been around for the trend when it took place 20 or 30 years ago.
Yes. Like ponchos.
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
julane...@aol.com (Linda)
Audrey writes:
Two trendies were ahead of me in line at the home tour Friday. They
were young and cute. Both wore pink tweed jackets (different styles)
with jeans and stilettos, brooches on the jacket lapels and they carried
metallic handbags. One wore her cell phone on her right ear. Not
original.
The doorbell rang today and I opened it to find the mother of my daughter's
friend, wearing a cell phone on her ear and in a full throttle phone
conversation. Was I supposed to wait at the door until she got off the phone??
Linda
"bethG" <NOrabbitS...@carrotpatch.net>
re: cell phone headsets
This happened during my manicure/pedicure yesterday. I was in there trying
to relax, read a magazine, etc. and this girl waiting for "emergency nail
repair" nattered non stop on her headset. She had at least 2 incoming calls
and made 3 more outgoing, even while the nail tech was working on her.
While I really enjoyed the procedures (and I plan to make them a monthy
occurance), I think I will be shopping around for a more relaxing
enviroment...and not just because of cell phone girl.
bethG
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


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re: cell phone headsets
This happened during my manicure/pedicure yesterday. I was in there
trying to relax, read a magazine, etc. and this girl waiting for
"emergency nail repair" nattered non stop on her headset. She had at
least 2 incoming calls and made 3 more outgoing, even while the nail
tech was working on her.
While I really enjoyed the procedures (and I plan to make them a
monthy occurance), I think I will be shopping around for a more
relaxing enviroment...and not just because of cell phone girl.
bethG
Beth
You can find a better place. I now get pedicures at a salon that has a
separate room for only two clients at a time. You do not hear the
extraneous noise from the rest of the salon, and it limits the noise to
the two clients and the two who are giving the pedicures. I am so out of
it that I seriously thought headsets were just for the hard of hearing
but now I realize they are also for those who are on the phone all the
time.
Audrey
richar...@webtv.net
Females wearing flip–flops year round (S. Fl.), anywhere and eveywhere.
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:49:34 –0500, richar...@webtv.net wrote:
Females wearing flip–flops year round (S. Fl.), anywhere
and eveywhere.
Guys wearing flip–flops year–round (S. TX), anywhere and everywhere.
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


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Beth
You can find a better place. I now get pedicures at a salon that has a
separate room for only two clients at a time. You do not hear the
extraneous noise from the rest of the salon, and it limits the noise to
the two clients and the two who are giving the pedicures. I am so out of
it that I seriously thought headsets were just for the hard of hearing
but now I realize they are also for those who are on the phone all the
time.
Audrey
I would like to get a headset so I can do things around the house while I'm
on the phone and not have to contort my neck to talk on the phone. I am
seeing more and more of the cell phones that attached directly to the ear. I
don't think I'd ever get one of those.
Claire
"Martha Hardcastle Guthrie" <mot...@woh.rr.com>
Ponchos. Ugh. Here are some looks that I hope don't make a comeback
appearance – looks I am STILL sick of after many years:
Smock tops – I was going to modeling school "Glamour" back in 1972 or so
when we went on a fashion trip to Rike's department store across the street
from the school. I was wearing my sole smock top, which was cuter and more
expensive than most. The teacher pointed me out and said, "Why would we want
to cover up a cute little shape like this?" and handed me a Jones New York
cap–sleeved ribbed knit T–shirt style top. I bought it and never looked
back.
The pastel winter and upside–down looks of 1972–73 that also featured "the
layered look" – Not a seasonal color in sight. Pale blue, pale pink, pale
yellow sweaters, knit vests, corduroy pants and jeans. Big puffy blouses
under puffy knit vests. Then, that spring and summer everything was rust
and burgundy – colors that look sick against a tan. I hope that never
happens again.
On the other hand, isn't it time for Gauchos to make a comeback with all the
nice boots we have today? How about the short T–shirt dresses that could be
worn alone or like a tunic over jeans with a cool belt? That was nice.
Martha
the freshness stales quicker than it does for younger
folks who may
not have been around for the trend when it took place 20 or 30 years ago.
Yes. Like ponchos.
EMiriamD
caryper...@aol.comnospam (Caryperk39)
On the other hand, isn't it time for Gauchos to make a comeback with all the
nice boots we have today? How about the short T–shirt dresses that could be
worn alone or like a tunic over jeans with a cool belt? That was nice.
Martha
I bought a pair of black gauchos for my daughter for christmas. they're
already in the stores.
cary
Pam K <my2p...@noyahoospam.com>
In article <20041204210110.06270.00000...@mb–m23.aol.com>, EMiriamD says...
Yes. Like ponchos.
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
I have to tell #1 Daughter (almost 14) that the 80's weren't cute the first time
around. Fortunately, she agrees!
––
Pam K
my2p...@yahoo.com
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"Caryperk39" <caryper...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Remember the navy blue double–breasted "Ralph Lauren" blazer with jeans
look
from the 80's! That stuck around for a long time around here. I think
that
in areas where people tend toward casual dressing they like to have a new
way to wear their jeans other than with plain t's, etc.
Don't forget to wear your white socks and black leather loafers with that
outfit! (Still seen, occasionally, on boomers around town.
cary
What is it about me? Now I want to dress like this today.
And, horrifying as it is to admit, I could put this look together
with no trouble, lol.
––AJ
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


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"Caryperk39" <caryper...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Remember the navy blue double–breasted "Ralph Lauren" blazer with jeans
look
from the 80's! That stuck around for a long time around here. I think
that
in areas where people tend toward casual dressing they like to have a
new
way to wear their jeans other than with plain t's, etc.
Don't forget to wear your white socks and black leather loafers with
that
outfit! (Still seen, occasionally, on boomers around town.
cary
What is it about me? Now I want to dress like this today.
And, horrifying as it is to admit, I could put this look together
with no trouble, lol.
––AJ
For that look I think you have to have 501's, though ;)
"Claire in SF" <clairi...@aol.com>


"KMS" <badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote in message
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Trilby wrote:
On a related note, I am sick to death of the cute tweed/boucle jacket
with a silk/lace cami underneath, regardless of what is worn below the
waist. This was cute for about a week, and now it's just tired. IMNSHO.
–KMS
OK, the silk cami underneath I am sick of, lol.
Claire
"cofarb" <do...@cofarb.com>


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BTD: I like this one leebsheh
http://masl.gnomehack.com/?Q17541DE9
I don't like the funny looking upside down, and other assorted weirdo heel
shapes particularly on boots
I have to agree with this one. It's hard to find truly classic heel shapes,
but when I invest in boots, I want them to be in style––or at least not
hopelessly *out of style*––for years. I also happen to think that boot
heels should be in some proportion to the mass of the boot upper. In other
words, a heavy, sturdy or furry upper should not be paired with a teensy
spike or kitten heel (hence the complete failure, imo, of all those boots
that are Timberland or Converse styles sitting atop minuscule heels).
cofarb the picky–picky
emiri...@aol.com (EMiriamD)
It's hard to find truly classic heel shapes,
but when I invest in boots, I want them to be in style––or at least not
hopelessly *out of style*––for years.
Agree! And same for toe box shape. My eye is now totally tired of very
pointy, very square, and very rounded toe shapes. I now prefer the classic toe
shape that tapers in at the sides and is sort of "squoval" at the tip (sense
makes?). This toe box shape never goes out of style, IMHO.
I also happen to think that boot
heels should be in some proportion to the mass of the boot upper. In other
words, a heavy, sturdy or furry upper should not be paired with a teensy
spike or kitten heel (hence the complete failure
Again, agreed. Proportion is everything.
EMiriamD
"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
–– Christian Dior
"cofarb" <do...@cofarb.com>


"Chris Braun" <braun_ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:naqvq0hm7g8grv1bq9bhv7o793i9uvg...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:02:57 GMT, KMS
<badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote:
So what is a good thing to wear under a tweed/boucle jacket? I'm not
much of a camisole wearer, but I am always at a loss as to what to
wear under jackets. I don't seem to do well with tuck–in blouses, as
there always seems like so much extra fabric that doesn't want to stay
tucked in.
Chris
Here in the tundra, where a gap between shirt and pants can be mighty
unpleasant, I swear by bodysuits as the perfect underlayer for almost any
outfit. VS has great, seamless bodysuits, albeit pricey. The do hold up
very well. (I wish they had a true red one.)
cofarb
Pam K <my2p...@noyahoospam.com>
In article <BHQrd.100326$jq5.77...@fe2.texas.rr.com>, KMS says...
Trilby wrote:
On a related note, I am sick to death of the cute tweed/boucle jacket
with a silk/lace cami underneath, regardless of what is worn below the
waist. This was cute for about a week, and now it's just tired. IMNSHO.
–KMS
But, but, but – I have a tweed/boucle jacket, no collar (high, round neck). It
has hook and eye closure all the way up, and I will wear a jersey knit cami
underneath in lieu of a sweater. In this case, I don't have any plans to take
the jacket off, and the cami is long enough to tuck in. I don't like the look
of open jackets and silk camis.
My #1 look to be sick of:
Anything with "Juicy" on it.
––
Pam K
my2p...@yahoo.com
mkupma...@aol.com (MKUPMAVEN)
Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is
possible to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
I'll go one step further –– I don't like jeans with stilettos. Too Pamela
Anderson trashy looking for my taste.
Barb
"cycjec"<cyc...@yahoo.com>
Claire in SF <clairi...@aol.com> wrote:


"AJ" <ajfash...@att.net> wrote in message
news:KkNrd.83389$7i4.59...@bgtnsc05–news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

Remember the navy blue double–breasted "Ralph Lauren" blazer with jeans look
from the 80's! That stuck around for a long time around here. I think that
in areas where people tend toward casual dressing they like to have a new
way to wear their jeans other than with plain t's, etc.
RL took it from ppl who had been doing it for some years, actually.
Probably not double breasted blazers originally though.
––
NYLXS GNU/Linux Open House Monday Dec. 6th Brooklyn NY
Come one, come all. http://www.nylxs.com
"cycjec"<cyc...@yahoo.com>
Martha Hardcastle Guthrie <mot...@woh.rr.com> wrote:
Ugh. I agree. It reminds me of the 80s, when guys would wear a sport jacket
with or without a tie to dress up their jeans – a look I call "Eighties
Record Store Manager" or "Eighties Young Newspaper Editor/writer."
This combination was worn at least by some men in Cambridge in
the 1960s because I've heard several times by someone who was
a student there (Harvard) how flabberghasted he was when he
saw it. (from a Midwest family who valued proper dress)
Again, probably not the same jacket exactly as the 1980s.
––
NYLXS GNU/Linux Open House Monday Dec. 6th Brooklyn NY
Come one, come all. http://www.nylxs.com
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"Pam K" <my2p...@noyahoospam.com> wrote in message
news:coqh4f01...@drn.newsguy.com...

In article <BHQrd.100326$jq5.77...@fe2.texas.rr.com>, KMS says...
But, but, but – I have a tweed/boucle jacket, no collar (high, round
neck). It
has hook and eye closure all the way up, and I will wear a jersey knit
cami
underneath in lieu of a sweater. In this case, I don't have any plans
to take
the jacket off, and the cami is long enough to tuck in. I don't like
the look
of open jackets and silk camis.
My #1 look to be sick of:
Anything with "Juicy" on it.
––
Pam K
unless the wearer is no older than 15
Audrey
my2p...@yahoo.com
an...@Maps.On.ivgate.omahug.org (Annie)
I am sick to death of girls'/womens' tops and accesories with "Princess,"
"Brat," "Spoiled Rotten," "Cutie," "Hottie," et all ad nauseam.
Lol! What I think is really bad is when somebody my age, not to admit
what it is, wears stuff like that! Those can look cute on somebody
who's maybe 17 or so, but for somebody 30+, _GAG_! :) I guess that's
one of my fashion.pet.peeves. :)
"Susan in LA" <susan...@hotmail.com>


"MKUPMAVEN" <mkupma...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041203155910.21925.00001...@mb–m06.aol.com...

Note to the lurking fashion editors: OK, people, we get it. It is
possible to combine dressy pieces with jeans.
Now can we please move on? Because jeans worn with casual tops––say,
t–shirts––are starting to look really fresh.
I'll go one step further –– I don't like jeans with stilettos. Too Pamela
Anderson trashy looking for my taste.
What?!?!?
You've just trashed 2/3 of my going–out wardrobe.
I'm devastated.
Susan in LA (nothing else in common with Pam, to be certain)
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:48:15 GMT, Martha Hardcastle Guthrie wrote:
Ugh. I agree. It reminds me of the 80s, when guys would wear a sport jacket
with or without a tie to dress up their jeans – a look I call "Eighties
Record Store Manager" or "Eighties Young Newspaper Editor/writer."
Then you have cognitive dissonance seen among software weenies who
aren't really sure whether they should dress up or not: dress shirt,
tie, jeans, and sneakers!
Also associated with Kroger bagboys. :–)
Chris Braun <braun_ch...@mindspring.com>
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:11:29 GMT, KMS
<badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote:
ahmward wrote:
These are great suggestions, Audrey! I also think a nice silk shell of
some kind would work great under a tweed jacket and would look so much
nicer than most of the camis I've seen, particularly for those of us
over 25 or so (and those of us larger than a B cup). Just MHO. I'm not
saying people shouldn't wear camis under tweed jackets, I'm just saying
I personally find the look less than fresh.
–KMS, well over 25 and larger than a B cup
Yeah. I'm 56, so far past the cami generation :–). I do have a
couple that I wear on occasion, but only if they barely show under
something else. I only wear the sort with built–in bras or else I
wear a bra too but have a jacket or sweater so the straps don't show.
I gather that visible bra straps are not considered disgraceful but it
doesn't feel right to me :–).
I like lightweight sweaters under jackets also. I actually like
short–sleeved ones a lot, but it's harder to find them at this time of
year, and my previously–purchased ones are too large.
Chris
Chris Braun <braun_ch...@mindspring.com>
On 4 Dec 04 02:24:21 GMT, an...@Maps.On.ivgate.omahug.org (Annie)
wrote:
I am sick to death of girls'/womens' tops and accesories with "Princess,"
"Brat," "Spoiled Rotten," "Cutie," "Hottie," et all ad nauseam.
Lol! What I think is really bad is when somebody my age, not to admit
what it is, wears stuff like that! Those can look cute on somebody
who's maybe 17 or so, but for somebody 30+, _GAG_! :) I guess that's
one of my fashion.pet.peeves. :)
Gag, indeed! However, I think even worse is the bare–belly look on
30+ women –– or on anyone who has a flab roll hanging over their
pants. It amazes me that people actually do that.
Chris
Chris Braun <braun_ch...@mindspring.com>
On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:11:56 –0500, "cofarb" <do...@cofarb.com> wrote:


"Chris Braun" <braun_ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:naqvq0hm7g8grv1bq9bhv7o793i9uvg...@4ax.com...

Here in the tundra, where a gap between shirt and pants can be mighty
unpleasant, I swear by bodysuits as the perfect underlayer for almost any
outfit. VS has great, seamless bodysuits, albeit pricey. The do hold up
very well. (I wish they had a true red one.)
cofarb
This is a good thought! I've been meaning to visit a VS sometime soon
anyway. I'm kind of long in the torso, though, so would have to be
sure it wouldn't pull.
Chris
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"Chris Braun" <braun_ch...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3a84r0hnoqcq196lfibpodhekd8ap6m...@4ax.com...

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:11:29 GMT, KMS
<badgerda...@puttyhead.combustible> wrote:
Yeah. I'm 56, so far past the cami generation :–). I do have a
couple that I wear on occasion, but only if they barely show under
something else. I only wear the sort with built–in bras or else I
wear a bra too but have a jacket or sweater so the straps don't show.
I gather that visible bra straps are not considered disgraceful but it
doesn't feel right to me :–).
I like lightweight sweaters under jackets also. I actually like
short–sleeved ones a lot, but it's harder to find them at this time of
year, and my previously–purchased ones are too large.
Chris
Saks Real Clothes and a lot of other brands have them as part of twin
sets sold separately. http://tinyurl.com/6hpty
I also find them at Nordstrom. I wear silk shells too
Audrey, a bit past 25 and larger than a B
rhoda penmark <rh...@thebadseed.com>
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:44:54 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:50:58 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
Shania Twain is 39. Nothing wrong with her belly. <grin/duck>
Most of us broads *ain't* Shania Twain, Charlie!
DH and I went to a charity auction last night. It was a dinner and
the dress code was "cocktails."
Here is what every single woman at the party wore, more or less:
black dress
spaghetti straps
hem just below knee
bare legs
black strappy sandals with open toes
wrap for the shoulders made of chiffon or gauzy material
hair in an updo
french manicure and pedicure
cell phone glued to the ear
*YAWN*
********************
I am happy to report that I took things in a different direction,
though. I was looking at my cocktail dresses yesterday morning before
going to work, and I decided that I was positively sick of black black
black black. How many Laundry by Shelli Segal dresses does one girl
need, anyway?
So, when I had a break for lunch, I went to this terrific Asian store
that sells the most marvelous items. For a long time I have been
coveting Chinese hostess gowns, so I bought one for the party. As
usual, I grabbed for black with a red design, but the owner of the
shop guided me to a dark burgundy gown with burnished gold accents.
She could not have been more right...it's a beautiful rich color and
the gold highlighted my hair. I also found a little gold evening bag;
it was marketed as a cosmetics bag, but it had a little handle and a
mirror inside, and it was just perfect for evening.
The dress was $45. The bag was $4.00.
I wore it with black velvet heels and black stockings (that sounds
bad, but it looked good, actually). I kept my jewelry to a minimum.
I have never gotten so many compliments on a dress in my entire life.
It's hard for me to write that because I am notorious for my inability
to accept a compliment. Even the bartender said, "You know, that is a
really cool dress. It's nice to see something different for a
change."
I also must mention my inspiration for the Chinese hostess gown as
evening wear: the late great fashion icon and fabulous disaster Paula
Yates wore one to a charity event she was hosting. I never forgot
about that. Now that was a woman with style. R.I.P., Paula. Heroin
may have killed you, but you truly died of a broken heart.
p.s. If you go to the Corbis photography site and search for Paula
Yates, you can see her wearing the hostess gown on the second page of
photos for her.
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:13:38 –0700, rhoda penmark wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:44:54 GMT, Charlie Perrin wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:50:58 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
However, I think even worse is the bare–belly look on
30+ women
Shania Twain is 39. Nothing wrong with her belly. <grin/duck>
Most of us broads *ain't* Shania Twain, Charlie!
Most of us guys aren't Mutt Lange.
"cycjec"<cyc...@yahoo.com>
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@spambots_dieatt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:48:15 GMT, Martha Hardcastle Guthrie wrote:
Then you have cognitive dissonance seen among software weenies who
aren't really sure whether they should dress up or not: dress shirt,
tie, jeans, and sneakers!
Some kind of slacks, fleece jacket (hiding the shirt and tie,
if any), white socks and wingtips spotted locally. Very competent
guy with remmarkable strategic insight.
Also associated with Kroger bagboys. :–)
That is no doubt the Kroger dress code. I've seen similar rules
(white button–down (collar) shirt, tie) in a local market. Need
to wear shoes compatible with a lot of movement and walking,
and probably have never heard of wingtips, which the person
above–described thinks are most comfortable.
––
NYLXS GNU/Linux Open House Monday Dec. 6th
Come one, come all. http://www.nylxs.com
rhoda penmark <rh...@thebadseed.com>
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:28:11 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:13:38 –0700, rhoda penmark wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:50:58 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
However, I think even worse is the bare–belly look on
30+ women
Shania Twain is 39. Nothing wrong with her belly. <grin/duck>
Most of us guys aren't Mutt Lange.
And praise Jeebus for that! :–)
*shudder*
Chris Braun <braun_ch...@mindspring.com>
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:44:54 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> wrote:
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:50:58 GMT, Chris Braun wrote:
Shania Twain is 39. Nothing wrong with her belly. <grin/duck>
Well, maybe in her circles that look is okay, but it would look pretty
odd anywhere I ever go :–).
Chris (whose belly is flat but kinda wrinkly)
"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com>


"rhoda penmark" <rh...@thebadseed.com> wrote in message
news:sfc4r0pbgumuu5b0100sdicptkcj4qe...@4ax.com...

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 21:44:54 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> wrote:
Most of us broads *ain't* Shania Twain, Charlie!
DH and I went to a charity auction last night. It was a dinner and
the dress code was "cocktails."
Here is what every single woman at the party wore, more or less:
black dress
spaghetti straps
hem just below knee
bare legs
black strappy sandals with open toes
wrap for the shoulders made of chiffon or gauzy material
hair in an updo
french manicure and pedicure
cell phone glued to the ear
*YAWN*
********************
I am happy to report that I took things in a different direction,
though. I was looking at my cocktail dresses yesterday morning before
going to work, and I decided that I was positively sick of black black
black black. How many Laundry by Shelli Segal dresses does one girl
need, anyway?
So, when I had a break for lunch, I went to this terrific Asian store
that sells the most marvelous items. For a long time I have been
coveting Chinese hostess gowns, so I bought one for the party. As
usual, I grabbed for black with a red design, but the owner of the
shop guided me to a dark burgundy gown with burnished gold accents.
She could not have been more right...it's a beautiful rich color and
the gold highlighted my hair. I also found a little gold evening bag;
it was marketed as a cosmetics bag, but it had a little handle and a
mirror inside, and it was just perfect for evening.
The dress was $45. The bag was $4.00.
I wore it with black velvet heels and black stockings (that sounds
bad, but it looked good, actually). I kept my jewelry to a minimum.
I have never gotten so many compliments on a dress in my entire life.
It's hard for me to write that because I am notorious for my inability
to accept a compliment. Even the bartender said, "You know, that is a
really cool dress. It's nice to see something different for a
change."
I also must mention my inspiration for the Chinese hostess gown as
evening wear: the late great fashion icon and fabulous disaster Paula
Yates wore one to a charity event she was hosting. I never forgot
about that. Now that was a woman with style. R.I.P., Paula. Heroin
may have killed you, but you truly died of a broken heart.
p.s. If you go to the Corbis photography site and search for Paula
Yates, you can see her wearing the hostess gown on the second page of
photos for her.
––––––––––––––––
When will women learn to wear earrings instead of cell phones? I went
to a black tie event last night and the outfit I remember best was the
long gold silk jacket worn with a straight black skirt worn by the
daughter of a friend of mine. The jacket was beautiful. I am sure your
dress was a really cool dress.
Audrey
Miss Jenney <j3n...@telusx.net>
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:54:29 GMT, Trilby
<p...@LOVELYmidway.SPAMuchicago.edu> wrote:
The cute tweed jacket––the one that looks like the top half of a
suit––combined with the inevitable jeans.
To me the really amusing thing is, I used to wear the same kind of
cute tweed/wool jackets with jeans when I was in university in the
early 90's. So I'm a bit hesitant to wear it again. Someone told me
that if I've worn a trend the first time, I really shouldn't be
wearing it the second. That's too bad, because I remember really
liking legwarmers. I wore them all the time in elementary school. :–D
Miss Jenney <j3n...@telusx.net>
On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:13:38 –0700, rhoda penmark
<rh...@thebadseed.com> wrote:
black black. How many Laundry by Shelli Segal dresses does one girl
need, anyway?
This is the funniest thing I've read all day. Because it's so true!
I'm actually totally guilty of wearing black all the time. And yes I
have at least one spaghetti strap black dress Laundry by Shelli Segal.
And yes, I could use a few more.
nanmor...@hotmail.com (nm53211)
How dare you! I love my flip–flops. However, year round isn't an
option in WI. In summer, I do save them for trips to the pool, or
walking the dog or baby around the neighborhood and up to the coffee
shop. For the most part, if I would wear jogging clothes to a place,
I think I can wear flip–flops there. Mind you, I am not one to wear
jogging clothes to many places other than the gym.
Nancy M.
richar...@webtv.net wrote in message news:<3741–41B34A2E–...@storefull–3233.bay.webtv.net>...
Females wearing flip–flops year round (S. Fl.), anywhere and eveywhere.
Ruddell <ruddell'Elle–Kabo...@canada.com>
In <42b7r0d9hbkkoai9r1ljbvta6fmptir...@4ax.com> Charlie Perrin wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:49:34 –0500, richar...@webtv.net wrote:
Guys wearing flip–flops year–round (S. TX), anywhere and everywhere.
Men wear flip–flops?
––
Cheers
Dennis
Remove 'Elle–Kabong' to reply
Richard Hunter <returntosen...@ddressunknown.com>
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:48:29 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> coughed and sputtered, and
managed to choke out these words:
Guys wearing flip–flops year–round (S. TX), anywhere and everywhere.
i wear mine with socks during the colder months. :)
––
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/derbarbier/
(ebay sales)
http://shops.half.com/derbarbier
ten tod labolgcbs ta reibrabred
Charlie Perrin <c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net>
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 01:02:33 –0000, Ruddell wrote:
In Charlie Perrin wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:49:34 –0500, richar...@webtv.net wrote:
Females wearing flip–flops year round (S. Fl.), anywhere
and eveywhere.
Guys wearing flip–flops year–round (S. TX), anywhere and everywhere.
Men wear flip–flops?
Today is the 5th of December, and they're still in use.
On the other hand, it's 75 degrees outside.
mom_2_...@hotmail.com (Barbara)
nanmor...@hotmail.com (nm53211) wrote in message news:<fc020a3e.0412051555.5d3b2...@posting.google.com>...
How dare you! I love my flip–flops. However, year round isn't an
option in WI. In summer, I do save them for trips to the pool, or
SNIP
I THINK you were joking, but ... a thread like this is bound to upset
a lot of people.
Me, I like tweed and boucle. I usually wear a solid bottom with a
contrasting jacket to work, instead of a matched suit. Checking my
closet, I note that most of my winter jackets are either tweed or
boucle (although 2 are, admittedly, parts of matched suits). I hope
to wear them for several more years. Then again, I can't afford to
get rid of clothes as soon as they've become popular.
I confess that I DO wish that thong–style shoes would go out of style.
I find them extremely uncomfortable, and it makes summer
shoe–shopping difficult for me! I also wish that *seasonally
inappropriate* looks would go out of style. I'm not a big fan of
bared tummies but, even if I were, not when the thermometer is
hovering around the freezing mark! Ditto hoseless legs in winter.
Barbara
Chris Braun <braun_ch...@mindspring.com>
On 5 Dec 2004 18:48:20 –0800, mom_2_...@hotmail.com (Barbara) wrote:
Ditto hoseless legs in winter.
Fortunately, this is a look that I never see in real life on anyone I
know. I only know it's the style from magazines and from this list.
I think it would look wildly inappropriate in my office or at the
restaurants and other places I frequent. Besides, I'd be too darn
cold! Maybe it just hasn't caught on in Virginia, or maybe it's
because I hang out with middle–aged IT types :–).
Chris
"hockeygirlpred" <hockeygirlp...@comcast.net>
My complaint is directed at men. I am tired of the baggy pants !! The
crotch tends to hang down way low and this cuts across a large age range.
Pull them up and put on a belt that works!!!
I am still constantly amazed at how they keep them up, though I did see one
guy lose his pants trying to run across the street. Whew, his tighty
whities were white !!!!
I still see lots of women with the curly perm that was popular back in the
late 80's. Time to let it go.
Richard Hunter <returntosen...@ddressunknown.com>
On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 22:41:43 –0600, "hockeygirlpred"
<hockeygirlp...@comcast.net> coughed and sputtered, and managed
to choke out these words:
My complaint is directed at men. I am tired of the baggy pants !! The
crotch tends to hang down way low and this cuts across a large age range.
Pull them up and put on a belt that works!!!
<snip>
I still see lots of women with the curly perm that was popular back in the
late 80's. Time to let it go.
there's a prayer that can help you, and others like you. let's
say it together.
God, grant me the serenity to
accept the things i cannot change,
Courage to change the things i can,
and the Wisdom to know the difference.
Amen.
Valerie Belcher <V.Belc...@att.net>
Chris Braun wrote:
On 5 Dec 2004 18:48:20 –0800, mom_2_...@hotmail.com (Barbara) wrote:
Fortunately, this is a look that I never see in real life on anyone I
know. I only know it's the style from magazines and from this list.
I think it would look wildly inappropriate in my office or at the
restaurants and other places I frequent. Besides, I'd be too darn
cold! Maybe it just hasn't caught on in Virginia, or maybe it's
because I hang out with middle–aged IT types :–).
Chris
People are doing it in Chicago. I hope with all fancy tights in fashion
this winter, it may finally die out.
People with bare legs in the dead of winter in a climate where you
actually can get frostbite don't look so hot. They look like refugees
from a warmer climate that have been plunked down in Chicago and have
not had the chance to buy warm clothing.
Nadya <na...@spam.net>
rhoda penmark wrote:
Fabulous hostess dress post snipped
Good for you for breaking the mold! After attending a holiday party last
year where every single woman wore black slacks or skirt and a red top I
swore off red at the holidays. I went to a cocktail party recently and
wore black slacks with a pink (I know I know!) bell sleeved sweater with
a fabulous vintage rhinestone brooch that was my great aunts. Felt much
better :–).
Nadya