Celebrating

by applying a new polish color:
Voting and Winning RED by OPI
A Happy Voter,
Carol

by applying a new polish color:
Voting and Winning RED by OPI
A Happy Voter,
Carol

Somehow I missed the news bulletin that the world is coming to an
end.

<< of driving there in a huge, gas guzzling SUV while all the warnings
about
I agree with this and that's why it makes me so angry that everyone
chooses to ignore the fact that John Kerry owns 5 SUVS, plus 4 homes...Who
the hell needs 4 homes when so many have none????? John Edwards has three
homes, one on ritzty Figure Eight Island, NC, where nobodies like me can't
even get on the island for a look!!! He never even paid his taxes on his
$3million place in Raleigh (believe me that's a whole lot of house in
Raleigh) The celebrities who tout that Kerry and Edwards are for the
people all criss cross the country in private jets, burning fuel and
polluting the air...
How come it's OK for them to do one thing and say the other?

One of the most telling things, I've discovered as I've grown older, is you can
tell as much about a person by his/her reaction to victory as his/her reaction
to defeat. Indeed, there is something even more gallant about true
graciousness extended in victory.
Indeed, as I mentioned before, The Engineer and I are on opposite sides of the
political spectrum. We have enjoyed a spirited discussion over the last
39459821984 months of this campaign (isn't that how long it's been ongoing? ;–)
) which has never gone over the line; still I was a bit apprehensive about how
things would be should we end up with the current electoral result. Don't get
me wrong: I never really feared bad behavior on his part. But I knew I'd be
gentle with him should the situation be reversed, but I wasn't sure how he'd
behave.
I worried for nothing. His initial contact with me this morning was about
mundane things––the menu for our camping trip this weekend, etc. I thanked him
later for not bringing up the election and he said that he knew I was very
disappointed and unhappy with the outcome and that he didn't think it was
appropriate for him to rub it in in any way knowing how invested I was––indeed,
how we both were––in the outcome.
This, actually, was also something which gave me heart about the problem of
trying to bind this divided nation back together again, and the realization
that real progress is going to be made on the one–on–one level. No matter how
this election turned out, there would be people today whose emotions would
range from disappointment to despair; I hope that that understanding undergirds
as much as our conversation as possible. What seems catastrophic to some seems
celebratory to others––I get that. But one feeling in me does not negate the
opposite feeling in you.
I'm hoping that folks here will realize that just about everyone here in the US
is probably emotionally involved in today's outcome and that in that spirit a.f
will remain focused on fashion and beauty and topics other which do not upset
participants or start unnecessary flame wars. There are myriad public fora for
conducting these discussions (in addition to private email) and I hope this
place will remain a civil haven during this emotional time.
––
Julie P.
"don't want to learn about etiquette/from glossy magazines"––Bryan Ferry

Somehow I missed the news bulletin that the world is coming to an
end.
I can understand disappointment, but wanting to change one's
citizenship???????????
Carol

Thanksgiving for everyone. Sorry for the
pontificating but at my age I realize every day is important and
sometimes it's what you do in your own back yard that counts the most.

Very well said Audrey.
This morning my husband and I went to a funeral Mass for someone who lost her
life due to cancer.
I will open our bottle of Moet and toast to life and good health, and one
small toast to the re–election.
Carol

rh...@thebadseed.com

Subject: Re: Celebrating
From: rhoda penmark rh...@thebadseed.com
Date: 11/4/2004 6:37 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message–id: <j6flo09tif73ara8rtr9hd71d8uc31g...@4ax.com>
On 03 Nov 2004 22:41:01 GMT, carolc...@aol.combyespam (Carol) wrote:
Thanksgiving for everyone. Sorry for the
pontificating but at my age I realize every day is important and
sometimes it's what you do in your own back yard that counts the most.
her
Here's an even better thought:
Why not attend the next military funeral that is in your general
locale? I think it's fitting, after all...you voted for Bush, his or
her blood is all over your hands and the hands of those just like you.
So go open that bottle Moet...and choke on it.

Celestia Vianello (CelestiaViane...@att.net) wrote:
: I used to think better of you. No longer.
I agree. This thread has been very revealing in many ways.

My husband served three tours of duty proudly in Vietnam so
you are talking to the wrong person.

Many multiple home & vehicle owners I know would **gladly
pay *more* taxes** to ensure fiscal responsbility in the
US governement

What can we do to help the nation's hungry? I
purchased grocery store certificates to donate to needy families. I am
the philanthropic advisor to a group of sixty teenagers. No matter
what goes on in my country I try to teach them to help those in need.
Perhaps those in mourning can go to a food bank, shelter, or other place
and help make it truly a Thanksgiving for everyone. Sorry for the
pontificating but at my age I realize every day is important and
sometimes it's what you do in your own back yard that counts the most.
Audrey

climate change go unheard.

I think a real Thanksgiving would be free healthcare for everyone,
regardless
of what they earn. A real thanksgiving wouldn't be sending our poorest
kids
off to fight in a war over oil and dominance in the Middle East (all the
while
proclaiming a moral high ground over an "evil empire"). A real
thanksgiving
would be walking or taking public transport to the food bank or shelter
instead
And a real thanksgiving would be living in the most
powerful nation in the world with a president who didn't lie to its
citizens
and scare them into feeling like they need protection from the rest of the
world.
I don't mind if you pontificate. I teach in one of the poorest areas of
Inner
London and my students come to our school on the run from evil dictators
in
Africa who slaughter families and ruin economies for their own personal
gain.
Funnily enough, the United States isn't too keen to liberate THEM. I too
am a
believer in giving back to the community, as I also live in the same area
I
teach, alongside my students. So I take your point about grass roots
action...
as here in England we're in the same position, being led by a Prime
Minister
who has deceived us and manipulated us into participation in a war that
the
entire world condemns. No matter what England does, I contribute at the
level
I can. I cannot vote in the UK but my husband can and in addition to
doing my
bit at home, you can be sure that we won't be voting for the Labour Party
in
the next general election.
Maurey (remove "no junk" from my address to email me)
____________________________________________________________________
"Home is within me. I carry everyone and everything I am with me wherever
I
go"
~Suheir Hammad, Palestinian/US poet

The name is fitting.
Carol
"To make this nation stronger and better, I will need your support and I will
work to earn it. I will do all I can do to deserve your trust." George W.
Bush, 11/3/04

Carol wrote:
At least our red nails will look fabulous!

I am embarassed to say that I'm in a "red state" >

Give her a break. She's upset and feels like she has lost her home. If
the situation were reversed, I'm sure you would want a little
compassion, too.

On 03 Nov 2004 22:41:01 GMT, carolc...@aol.combyespam (Carol) wrote:
Thanksgiving for everyone. Sorry for the
pontificating but at my age I realize every day is important and
sometimes it's what you do in your own back yard that counts the
most.
Here's an even better thought:
Why not attend the next military funeral that is in your general
locale? I think it's fitting, after all...you voted for Bush, his or
her blood is all over your hands and the hands of those just like you.
So go open that bottle Moet...and choke on it.

"Meg M" <mmorga...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:rEuid.41423$Jb.1306...@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Well, SUVs are now tacky and are on their way out. No more worries there.
As for the number of homes John Kerry and John Edwards each own, um what?
So, Bush lives in a shotgun house in Texas? And apparently takes the bus
from campaign stop to campagn stop? I don't blame any of them for living
in a bit of luxury, but accusing Kerry and Edwards of being decadent when
no politicians on the Hill are living in rags is a bit silly. I don't care
what your party affiliation is. This was just silly.

To blame the current administration for outsourcing jobs when your own
wife's company has been doing just that for years

To blame the current administration for the lack of flu shots when you sued
a flu shot manufacturer out of business 5 years ago

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:00:00 –0800, ahmward wrote:
Another quality war brought to you by John Kerry's party. The same one
that was in the White House when they dropped 100% of the nuclear
weapons used in combat.

I agree with this and that's why it makes me so angry that everyone
chooses to ignore the fact that John Kerry owns 5 SUVS, plus 4
homes...Who the hell needs 4 homes when so many have none?????

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:00:00 –0800, ahmward wrote:
Another quality war brought to you by John Kerry's party. The same one
that was in the White House when they dropped 100% of the nuclear
weapons used in combat.

I wasn't accusing them of being decadent, and I certainly never said that
Bush lives like a pauper....I was accusing them of being hypocritical...For
example...
To want to raise taxes, but weasel out of paying your own,

To say you are for the environment but own numerous gas–guzzling SUVs and
other vehicles,

To blame the current administration for outsourcing jobs when your own
wife's company has been doing just that for years,

To blame the current administration for the lack of flu shots when you
sued a flu shot manufacturer out of business 5 years ago,

To say you fight for the little guy and then buy a piece of exclusive
beachfront property and develop a natural resource for your own use,

To win election to the Senate and quit halfway through the job to run for
President, miss 90% of all votes in the past year, and still collect your
paycheck and benefits (as a North Carolinian, I feel particularly cheated
by this one, we have had only one Senator since January 2003)

I promise that this iy last post on this subject, and I won't flip flop!

"Mme. Remy" <mmer...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"Meg M" <mmorga...@carolina.rr.com> wrote on 04 Nov 2004:
<snip rest of rant>
Perhaps I've misread your words, but to me, you sound as though your
underlying argument is that everyone in the US should have the same level
of income and that those who have more income than you (and others) do
are somehow bad people because of those circumstances.
Many multiple home & vehicle owners I know would **gladly pay *more*
taxes** to ensure fiscal responsbility in the US governement and social
and economic justice in the US and the world.

I don't mind if you pontificate.

Absolutely, but Audrey is pointing out that while there are some things that
we
have only limited control over as individuals, there are other things we have
complete control over. If the negative energy expended on disappointments
can
be channelled to something productive, then at least it helps a little.
Linda

<<snipped someone's political comments>>
We still woke up today as free citizens in a great country. Here's a way
for everyone to celebrate, Democrats, Republicans, Green, Peace and
Freedom and those who chose not to participate. This month Americans
celebrate Thanksgiving. What can we do to help the nation's hungry? I
purchased grocery store certificates to donate to needy families. I am
the philanthropic advisor to a group of sixty teenagers. No matter
what goes on in my country I try to teach them to help those in need.
Perhaps those in mourning can go to a food bank, shelter, or other place
and help make it truly a Thanksgiving for everyone. Sorry for the
pontificating but at my age I realize every day is important and
sometimes it's what you do in your own back yard that counts the most.
Audrey

I help with a PTA–sponsored clothing bank as well as chairing the grade
school Health and Family Services committee. My family will be gathering and
sorting food for two drives this month. Next month we will help with another
drive and a teen gift drive. I'm thinking some a couple of Too Faced sets,
maybe some SK brush sets, BBW items and a few basketballs and volleyballs.
We have so much and it hurts to see those with little.

The requests from the elderly are usually for
things like undershirts, hairbrushes, shampoo, and other things most of us
take
for granted.

Right. Our church's Giving Tree had bras, underpants on the ladies' tags..so
sad that they write down the basics.

When a 5 year old wants a blanket from Santa...something
is wrong in the world.

The requests from the elderly are usually for
things like undershirts, hairbrushes, shampoo, and other things most of us
take
for granted.

I think the best gift of all to the elderly
would have been a medicare bill that allows the government to negotiate with
drug companies for lower prices. And perhaps not raising seniors health
insurance premiums by 50 percent over the next two years would be
appreciated,
too. And maybe making it easier for them to buy drugs in Canada, as Illinois
is
doing with a pilot program?
Charity is swell. But it's not a substitute for responsible government
action.
Many of us realize that and it's why we're so unhappy and disheartened today.

Audrey
who made a neat purchase today

ahmward wrote:
Which was?
~~Geri~~
"HUSKERS!! F**k, yeah!"

So let's just discuss the clothes and
make–up of Laura and Teresa and
leave their husbands out of af.

live in "blue" state, and that is the mood all around me.
Although, black is more fitting.

Audrey is one of the kindest and most generous people I know and the last
thing
I would want to do is hurt her. I'm very appreciative of all she does for
people.

I can also confirm this. I remember quite clearly one time when I had
a
question about Santa Maria Novella skincare, she took the time and
trouble to
send the price list to me––airmail and overseas. She has been a huge
contributor and a faithful one to alt.fashion (much more faithfully
than I
have, though I do read the newsgroup every day, still, after eight(!)
years...)
But I think we'll have to agree to disagree and get back to topics
like
fashion and makeup (I always envy her purchases... I buy stupidly in
bulk and
she makes two or three carefully edited purchases that she loves every
season... how does she do it!)
Again, to everyone, thanks for indulging me for the political debate.
I hear
the brits whinging on about the same things I do and even most of my
close
friends at home feel the same way that I do (though not all!)
And I promise now to remain silent and take my discussions to email...
Maurey (remove "no junk" from my address to email me)
____________________________________________________________________
"Home is within me. I carry everyone and everything I am with me
wherever I
go"
~Suheir Hammad, Palestinian/US poet

"Maurey Lancaster" <maur...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
news:20041105123607.09837.00000...@mb–m20.aol.com...
Audrey is one of the kindest and most generous people I know and the
last
thing
I would want to do is hurt her. I'm very appreciative of all she
does for
people.
Thanks so much Maurey. The header is embarrassing. Today when we moved
the stuff on the computer desk my son found a notebook I used for all of
my alt.fashion info.The first entry was Margaret Stoner's alt.fashion
FAQ and then there were entries for Laura Mercier bitten lipstick, using
Visine on q tips for getting rid of pimples and phone numbers for
ordering catalogues for Hard Candy and Zhen (are they still in
business). We've exchanged a lot of info over the years. I fully
understand the need for people to vent. After all these past two
elections have been extremely close and the sides are very far apart.
Audrey

Visene on Q–tips? I had no idea. So glad this was mentioned again. Will try!

Maladicta1 writes:
Absolutely, but Audrey is pointing out that while there are some
things that we
have only limited control over as individuals, there are other things
we have
complete control over. If the negative energy expended on
disappointments can
be channelled to something productive, then at least it helps a
little.
Linda

I think the best gift of all to the elderly would have been a medicare
bill that allows the government to negotiate with drug companies for
lower prices.

And maybe making it easier for them to buy drugs in Canada

Pam writes:
I'm glad to hear you're involved in a collection for teens – seems
most of the
holiday gift drives draw a lot of toys for younger children, very
little for
the older kids. When I donate to these drives, I contribute cash or
gifts for
teens. For the 'Angels' type drives, I pick cards from elderly folks
and buy
what's on their wish list. The requests from the elderly are usually
for
things like undershirts, hairbrushes, shampoo, and other things most
of us take
for granted.
Linda

An Assistance League chapter in southern California has a really neat
project called Operation Shoe Box. Throughout the year they collect
items to fill large shoeboxes for elderly shut–ins. These include mugs,
socks, small books, tiny stuffed animals, canned hams, teabags, hotel
toiletries and lots of other things. Then they have a big giftwrap
party to wrap and ribbon the boxes before they are distributed. They
get the names and addresses from the local senior centers.

"Carol" <carolc...@aol.combyespam> wrote in message
news:20041103171559.07103.00000...@mb–m10.aol.com...
We still woke up today as free citizens in a great country. Here's a
way for everyone to celebrate, Democrats, Republicans, Green, Peace
and Freedom and those who chose not to participate. This month
Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. What can we do to help the
nation's hungry? I purchased grocery store certificates to donate to
needy families. I am the philanthropic advisor to a group of sixty
teenagers. No matter what goes on in my country I try to teach them
to help those in need. Perhaps those in mourning can go to a food
bank, shelter, or other place and help make it truly a Thanksgiving
for everyone. Sorry for the pontificating but at my age I realize
every day is important and sometimes it's what you do in your own
back yard that counts the most.
Audrey

At least our red nails will look fabulous!

We still woke up today as free citizens in a great country. Here's a
way for everyone to celebrate, Democrats, Republicans, Green, Peace
and Freedom and those who chose not to participate. This month
Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. What can we do to help the
nation's hungry? I purchased grocery store certificates to donate to
needy families. I am the philanthropic advisor to a group of sixty
teenagers. No matter what goes on in my country I try to teach them
to help those in need. Perhaps those in mourning can go to a food
bank, shelter, or other place and help make it truly a Thanksgiving
for everyone. Sorry for the pontificating but at my age I realize
every day is important and sometimes it's what you do in your own
back yard that counts the most.

We still woke up today as free citizens in a great country.

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:25:54 GMT, "Cornhuskeress"
<cahuskerf...@sbcglobalGOBIGRED.net> coughed and sputtered, and
managed to choke out these words:
are they 'jungle red'?

ahmward wrote:
Good post.. That is something everyone can get behind.
~~Geri~~
"HUSKERS!! F**k, yeah!"

"Cornhuskeress" <cahuskerf...@sbcglobalGOBIGRED.net> wrote in message
news:Hafid.17478$6q2.8...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
posted in a more appropriate thread!

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:34:00 –0800, "ahmward"
<nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com> coughed and sputtered, and managed to
choke out these words:
i'll give you the 'great country' part. but 'free citizens'? we
lose more and more of our rights every day. and for what? to be
'safer'? what a joke.

Richard Hunter wrote:

You have the freedom of the right to vote in a democratic country. But
I'm curious at what rights you as an American feel you are losing? And
every day???

"Cornhuskeress" <cahuskerf...@sbcglobalGOBIGRED.net> wrote in message
news:0aeid.17453$6q2.11...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
I just returned from my high school tutoring. I have a girl from Yemen
who has the freedom to cover her head with a scarf when she is at
school. She is so eager to learn and has so many more opportunities as
a female than she did in the Middle East. My boy from Ethiopia talked
about the war in his country as he worked
on his C Span map of the popular and electoral votes etc. I love being
a free citizen of the United States but do agree with Julie that
politics needs to be removed from alt.fashion. I post only when I thnk
the conversations are too one–sided.
Audrey
who made a neat purchase today

I personally have a hard time keeping the colors straight. I hope your
student doesn't get as confused as I do. However as I understand it the
colors of each party are reversed on the official government–produced
electoral maps. However the media uses the party colors for their maps.
Drives me crazy!

"ahmward" <nospam.ahmw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9dSdneQLePUO4xTcRVn–...@giganews.com...
I personally have a hard time keeping the colors straight. I hope your
student doesn't get as confused as I do. However as I understand it
the
colors of each party are reversed on the official government–produced
electoral maps. However the media uses the party colors for their
maps.
Drives me crazy!
Claire

This was the ultimate busy work project. For each state he had to list
the number of electoral votes, who received them, the number of popular
votes per candidate, percentage of entire votes and then add up the
totals. He didn't finish in the 90 minutes and he has no computer at
home. It's raining and the library is about three or four miles from
where he lives. C Span classroom used the party colors.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 02:28:32 –0000, Ruddell wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:34:00 –0800, "ahmward" coughed and
sputtered, and managed to choke out these words:
We still woke up today as free citizens in a great country.
i'll give you the 'great country' part. but 'free citizens'? we
lose more and more of our rights every day. and for what? to be
'safer'? what a joke.
Well, since the voters of 11 states voted in measures that can be
summarized as "defining marriage as the union of a man and a woman,"
some people might say they're "losing rights."

On the other hand, most states have repealed their laws concerning
"the abominable crime of buggery" (to use one quaint term for it).

i cut a guy's hair the other day who told me that they're
not allowed to wear caps at school. yeah, like
ballcaps. not, ballcaps with certain messages, but ALL
ballcaps. that's seriously fucked up.

Audrey wrote:
I just returned from my high school tutoring. I have a girl from
Yemen who has the freedom to cover her head with a scarf when she
is at school.
she wouldn't here in Texas, where students' personal freedoms are
being revoked every day. i cut a guy's hair the other day who
told me that they're not allowed to wear caps at school. yeah,
like ballcaps. not, ballcaps with certain messages, but ALL
ballcaps. that's seriously fucked up.

Richard Hunter wrote:
That isn't that uncommon, really. In some areas, even something one
would think is harmless, like a cap, can be a gang symbol. (In the
school district I live in, the kids have to wear uniforms. It has
been this way for about a decade, I believe.)
~~Geri~~
"HUSKERS!! F**k, yeah!"

the Patriot Act gives the government the right to look at your
email for any reason or no reason.

we don't have the right to privacy anymore

Audrey's going to tell me we live in a free country?

Audrey wrote:
I just returned from my high school tutoring. I have a girl from Yemen
who has the freedom to cover her head with a scarf when she is at
school.
she wouldn't here in Texas, where students' personal freedoms are
being revoked every day. i cut a guy's hair the other day who
told me that they're not allowed to wear caps at school. yeah,
like ballcaps. not, ballcaps with certain messages, but ALL
ballcaps. that's seriously fucked up.
david

Remember: that order is coming from the educational establishment.
Invariably one of the biggest supporters of Kerry and his Democratic
bureaucrats.
Think about it.

Head scarves, and other religious garments can be worn by students
(and staff) in our school system.

"all men are created equal" my ass!

the Patriot Act gives the government the right to look at your
email for any reason or no reason. we don't have the right to
privacy anymore, and Audrey's going to tell me we live in a free
country? i wonder which country she's living in! it's certainly
not the US!

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 04:30:41 GMT, Charlie Perrin
<c.l.per...@SPAMBOTS_DIEatt.net> coughed and sputtered, and
managed to choke out these words:
"all men are created equal" my ass!
the Patriot Act gives the government the right to look at your
email for any reason or no reason. we don't have the right to
privacy anymore, and Audrey's going to tell me we live in a free
country? i wonder which country she's living in! it's certainly
not the US!
david
––
"Being lectured by the President on fiscal responsibility
is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law
and order in this country." –John Kerry

Audrey wrote:
I just returned from my high school tutoring. I have a girl from Yemen
who has the freedom to cover her head with a scarf when she is at
school.
she wouldn't here in Texas, where students' personal freedoms are
being revoked every day. i cut a guy's hair the other day who
told me that they're not allowed to wear caps at school. yeah,
like ballcaps. not, ballcaps with certain messages, but ALL
ballcaps. that's seriously fucked up.
david
––
"Being lectured by the President on fiscal responsibility
is a little bit like Tony Soprano talking to me about law
and order in this country." –John Kerry

I myself
would find it very hard to support a culture that doesn't let women sit as
judges on the high court for cases of Islamic law, since every month women
have
periods and "lose their reason."

My limited understanding of Islamic law is that it's not at all monolithic and
varies from country to country, depending on which school of interpretation the
judges follow.

I lost a dear childhood friend on Sept 11 (101st floor 1st tower, worked
for Sandler O'Neill) and had another one narrowly escape (Morgan Stanely,
she is still f***ed up from it and probably always will be)
If the government reading my email can stop one person (anywhere in the
world for that matter) from being killed by a terrorist, HAVE AT IT! Come
to my house and go through every closet and drawer, put a wiretap in my
house....I have nothing to hide and the inconvenience of the Patriot Act
is absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing to endure compared to the pain of
the family members of those killed by terrorists...
If the biggest sacrifice we have to make to keep people safe is someone
reading our email, how can we not make it?

"Meg M" <mmorga...@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3Ruid.41429$Jb.1307...@twister.southeast.rr.com...

Isn't it great that this thread was started the day after Election Day?

Subject: Re: Celebrating
From: "Mme. Remy" mmer...@gmail.com
Date: 11/4/04 4: